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Posted on February 28, 2007
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Read Harry Schultz’s Warning here. Discussion and comments welcome below.

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  1. sinsky February 28, 2007 4:31 pm

    Yes its true… has been for a long time. But in order for change to occur there has to be a watershed moment where even the densest sheeperson gets it. And until that epiphany occurs, the casual erosion of all our rights will continue, unabated.

    It is my contention that the manipulation of the low gold price is to allow the insiders to be able to accumulate “the yellow dog” below anyone’s radar. When the price of gold was pounded down to $252, England sold its stash to ….. the lowest bidder! Funny thing, they never said who the lowest bidder was…..Doesn’t sound like anyone was trying to maximize their profits that way.

    The PM market is so erratic that it is amazing there is anyone left to trade it. At some point in the future the paper markets will crash and Helgelian Principle will come into effect and the people’s of the world will demand sound money, and low and behold…. lookie who has all the gold.

    And we all know the Golden Rule- he who has the gold,makes the rules!

    Rather than trying to trade erratic and manipulated markets, I think I will try to follow suit of the insiders- if stockpiling gold (and silver) is good enough for them, then it is good enough for me.

    I just feel sorry for those who haven’t “got it” yet.

  2. kia February 28, 2007 4:39 pm

    Sinsky,

    I wish I had a reasonable argument to refute you and Harry. Alas, I have none.

    What’s your flag look like?

    Peace

  3. sinsky February 28, 2007 4:47 pm

    Kia-

    “Don’t Tread On Me”

  4. ChemicalGal February 28, 2007 4:47 pm

    I agree with you on Ron Paul as our last best chance. BUT he will either have to capitulate or what happens to those who cross them. So I almost regret he is running because he is one fine man.

    I agree the time is getting closer all the time to pull our heads into our shells. Gold & Silver is great But NO Debt is really good too.

    I am not an economist so don’t always understand everything you guys talk about, but always enjoy your posts and come every day to read them.
    Good Luck &
    God Bless and keep you all.
    CG

  5. Sapiens February 28, 2007 5:10 pm

    LOL, you are forgetting power is given, not taken. The Truth will set you free! They may get me, but not before letting everyone know they can fight back, use your volition.

    Besides, we need a good struggle, so those that may survive know that Liberty is priceless. Remember, the greatest power that Evil has is the ability to destroy itself.

    -Sapiens

  6. 911 Truth February 28, 2007 5:24 pm

    I disagree that it’s quite THAT bleak. Just in the last few days, conclusive PROOF that World Trade Center 7 was demolished by controlled demolition has emerged. (Like all the proof you really ever needed was a pair of functioning eyeballs!) BBC footage has been found which shows their reporter announcing that WTC 7 has collapsed some 20 minutes before it acutally did collapse. There it is, standing in the background as she announces it! As people begin to realize the simple truth–we are ruled by a gaggle of CRIMINALS who (among other things) engineered the 911 events to forward their power mad agenda.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/260207building7.htm

  7. J. L. February 28, 2007 5:42 pm

    I agree with Schultz’ dire assessment. I’m just wondering where’s a good place to live on the planet. I realize that every place has pros and cons.

    I would like to have a discussion on this topic. Perhaps someone with experience in such matters could express their opinion. Any takers?

    I lived in Panama for a number of years in the early 70s. Beautiful country. Rapidly expanding population. A lot of poverty. It used to have one of the largest middle classes in central America because of the US Canal Zone and US Military bases. I understand there’s still a lot of corruption in government. I’m not too confident in the government or the future of elected officials as the populice is not well educated. Torrijos, the current president is the son of a former dictator, General Omar Torrijos. I could envision a socialist similar to Chavez being elected in the future after promises of giving away the farm to the poor.

    I know the Defense Minister, former Governor of Cocle, Mining Minister, etc.

  8. Rich February 28, 2007 5:51 pm

    I completely agree with Harry, but then again if you’ve been on this site long enough, you know that, hey ChemGal! :)

    David Rockefeller is large and in charge. He’s also very old and probably would like to see his NWO plans come to fruition before he throws off this mortal coil. Hence the timeframe for this activity suddenly speeding up in recent years.

    Lets just hope that all of the talk around the elite about reducing the global population to no more than 500 million is just chatter!! If not we will have a much tougher time trying to implement any kind of turn around from the gigantic mess these crispy critters have gotten us in to.

    In the past I’ve been accused of being too negative about the predicament in the US, etc. I’ve advocated for not voting and openly stated that the current situation is hopeless from the perspective of using the system itself to engineer a fix. Harry is backing up that position in its entirety. It IS hopeless, you CANNOT rely on politicians and the current messed up system to suddenly understand the error of its ways and start fixing itself. It’s OVER.

    A reset is going to happen globally, the question for us is can humanity take back control of its own destiny through this process, or do we become a Prison Planet for some period of time until enough of the sheeple awaken and demand real freedom again.

    Inevitably we will be free of the scourge of our race of beings, this elite will pass in to the history books and be exposed for what they are, but the interim period could be/probably will be, incredibly ugly.

    Buy gold, grow veggies, pray hard.

    Cheers Rich

  9. jgold fish February 28, 2007 5:59 pm

    those who have been watching have had the notice for nearly 12 years
    just when do u think the cows will come home

  10. sinsky February 28, 2007 6:01 pm

    911-

    Who’s saying anything is bleak? It’s just the way it is… no big deal… information is power and groups like this help keep the info alive. People need to stop quantifying things as good vs bad. Sure, this situation isn’t exactly in our favor, but haven’t you always found that the greatest struggle always brings the greatest reward? It always seems to work for me. This time is a time of great opportunity, not dire consequences. You need to be proactive in all your affairs and NEVER follow the herd.

    ChemicalGal

    Definitely Get out of Debt Now! That is for sure the first thing to do.

    As for our man Ron Paul, I really think the electorial process is broken- it is actually window dressing. Especially after the “American Right To Vote Act” was passed where the FED’s subsidized the replacement of all the paper ballots with the Diebold paperless (Hackable) machines. They did that just in case the natives got restless and they needed to “tweak” the election “for our own good.” And then there is the case if our friend Ron gets too much press, he may want to stay out of airplanes.

    We live in interesting times.

  11. ChemicalGal February 28, 2007 6:02 pm

    Hi back to you Rich, I always lurk since I am nowhere near these guys on the stock market.

    I am ready though for when it comes. Have my land, a huge garden, meat animals, gold & silver and am praying hard that people wake up and take this country back.
    CG

  12. Rich February 28, 2007 6:07 pm

    BTW Michael, this is THE topic for THIS website.

    All the trading banter, etc. it’s all nice and cozy and intellectually stimulating at times, etc. but THIS is the topic for this website.

    Time is getting shorter. Harry would not put that message out if he wasn’t convinced he needed to.

    Cheers Rich

  13. beau February 28, 2007 6:07 pm

    I invoke the memory of that great Virginian and our first president George Washington. In his farewell address he stated “We can not guarantee success…but we can deserve it”

    Sadly we as a country no longer deserve success.

    As an unapologetic American nationalist I wish this was not true but after 10 years of due diligence and research this is my conclusion.After all of the blood,sweat and tears of our American ancestors to reach the moral high ground in past struggles.(caveat..we are not perfect.Mistakes have been made.)In nearly every phase of our ascendancy to the most just,strong,kind country the world has ever known,Americans have sacrificed life and treasure for the common good.This trait of our national will ended by my reckoning in about 1960.

    I sadly agree with HS.We maybe could have changed course say in 2000 but there was too much inertia even then.

    Our great republic has been conquered from within by an unholy alliance of mega-corporations and their puppets in elected office.

    Occams razor theory as I see it….greed,money and power has destroyed what Lincoln called “humanities last best hope” Our America.Damn them.Damn them.

    My sincere hope is that things will blow up in their faces.This is quite possible.In fact if PEAK OIL is coming this is even probable.Smash globalism and central govt and who knows we could reconstitute into the country we once was.As for those bastards who wrecked America…God or instant karma is gonna get em if lynch mobs don,t get em first.

    In the meantime…personally I believe that resistance is futile.I intend to leave the matrix no later than 2012.I believe the wheels will be coming off about everything in this time frame and a small farm with family and friends will be the best place to make a stand.

    There is time to prepare imo,but the window is closing.Remember this…….we are not alone in our beliefs about the current state of affairs.Yes the majority are clueless and asleep but this changes everyday as more and more people wake up.MAJOR KUDOS TO Mr. NYSTROM for providing this unique and enlightening website.

    Beau-out

  14. sinsky February 28, 2007 7:13 pm

    There is ONE way to fight the beast.

    And it just so happens to do with the financial system. I don’t know if it is too late, but it is the only answer I have seen. Unfortunately, I didn’t come up with it, so I can’t take credit. Catherine Austin Fitts has an answer ( I highly recommend you get a hold of her audio series). The main problem at this point in the game is the Corportocracy control. The mega corporations are consolidating power- the way out is to not fund their grab for power. That means don’t buy Halliburton stock- even though your technical indicators scream at you to do so. The irony of this is that us little people are subsidizing our enslavement by purchasing the stocks of the companies who wish to control us. (Boy, I wish I was smart enough to think this up!- pure genius). Rather than playing the market, maybe its time to invest in your local community, or even better yet, yourself. Do you have a hobby you want to pursue? Does your neighbor make great beer? eh, Kia? Maybe it is time to keep your money a little closer to home.

    At this point in the game, everyone in the stock market is scrambling for pennies. The big money is made by the insiders who know when the market is about to move.

    It amazes me that in yesterday’s flight to quality, people were moving into Treasuries with an economy with a real rate of inflation exceeding 10% (govt figures state 3%- guess who full of hot air??). Am I missing something here?

    Catherine Austin Fitts has some great ideas for re-inventing the financial health of your local community- since when this thing goes down (if it goes down) - your community is the only thing that will help support you… don’t depend on your local govt. Unfortunately, my simple mind cannot adequately grasp the technicalities of how to implement her suggestions. I need to find some financial-type person locally and put a bug in their ear. One such idea is kind of a spin off of http://www.prosper.com - but only on a local level.

    Bet I won’t be any trader’s favorite person after that comment….

  15. Rich February 28, 2007 7:21 pm

    Hey ChemGal, I wonder how many of the old crowd are still lurking? Isn’t it amazing to be watching this thing unfold, to see the masses slowly getting behind the major issues, so see the PTB come more and more out in to the open, and to watch the opposition slowly coalesce, albeit at a snails pace!!

    Good to see you around.

    Cheers Rich

    PS. Michael, you have to go through a maze to find this thread, can you take out to the main page and make it direct?? Please!? R

  16. bp February 28, 2007 7:28 pm

    hm, for sure no one can see the future - but I can tell you what it won’t be…a “supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite & world bankers” - that is the logical end to the progression of capitalism and social darwinism - it ain’t gonna happen…if for no other reason than because it is a logical development, and what is happening is the antithesis of logical development - look at it: asymmetrical war, tribalism…the loss of hierarchical structure…before we achieve what Rockefeller wants we will dissolve into Chaos…now what develops out of that Chaos is the big question in my mind…I am seeing some possible shapes taking form, but it is too early to say with certainty what will be…much will still depend on the “will of the people” - right now that is a scary thing to bank on - so many have drank the kool-aid, but that is part of the process, the masculine drive must be exhausted before the new possibilities can form - I agree with Harry on the probabilities of the situation, but not the outcome - what “is” has to fall before what “can be” arises - I just worry about our ability as a country to meet the challenges to come

  17. Administrator February 28, 2007 8:15 pm

    Rich - thanks. I got it posted to the front page. And yes, ChemicalGal - it is nice to see you here. Zephyr, come back. I don’t know what the row was about exactly, but come on back. Nestor is back, after all!

    Michael

  18. Chris February 28, 2007 8:25 pm

    Just a thought…USA was great but is now in decline much to my sadness. China is in ascendency from a low point of the early 80’s. Could China be the next USA and USA be the last China?

  19. Rich February 28, 2007 8:58 pm

    Hey Michael, thanks.

    Chris, I think China will be the next Japan (topped out at a certain point and then merged in to the grand scheme of things). I doubt the NWO is out of control and that China is going to rule the world. I think China will reach critical mass, in terms of being a player globally (right now if you do the math they are still a long way behind, they just happen to be the engine of growth).

    When China are online and reaching their potential (when they have a system that will sustain it’s elite, then the western financial community will pull the plug and they’ll slip in to the spot reserved for them in the international pecking order, and it ain’t first place).

    The juxtapositioning of China to the US is all part of the grand scheme to keep us guessing.

    Just my perspective, cheers Rich

  20. First Boomer February 28, 2007 9:15 pm

    Just found this website recently. Man, you people do have it together. I have studied this “phenomenon” called collectivism ever since I returned from Vietnam in 1966. Forty years of watching this monster grow. It is about to devour our Constitution and our freedoms (the few we have left). Gold is important but not as important as God. Food is important and tastes better than gold too. Don’t live downwind from any large military facilities…Seattle, Kansas City, San Diego come to mind. Harry Shultz is right. But, each individual can still save him/herself. It’s not too late to call on God in a very sincere and personal way. His promises still stand for each individual. There’s still time to get to know Him much better.

  21. beau February 28, 2007 9:37 pm

    #18 Chris I don’t think China will ever rival US.
    I personally do not believe they have the wherewithal or the national will to challenge the USA for world leadership.

    TPTB are using their vast human capital for a labor arbitrage at this point in time.This is certainly helping China to build it’s infastructure ,create a domestic consumer market and take some pressure off the 800 million peasant powerkeg in the middle kingdom.This is of course bad for the American middle class to have our industrial base transfered to China but…..this will soon blow up in the PTB face.

    I believe that PEAK OIL is real and unfolding in all of it’s destructive granduer as we speak.This global labor arbitrage is predicated on cheap oil to move goods from point a to point b.At some point in the near future shipping costs will cancel out the arbitrage.It’s just a matter of time.

    Lot’s of good books and websites on PO out there.Read Simmons “Twilight in the desert.Kunstlers “The long emergency” and LATOC.NET among others.

    Again personally the chinese can KMA.They shot at my US Paratrooper dad back in 1950 so I have no love for their culture or country.Everyone seems to have forgotten this is a communist country with a cabal of desperate leaders running the country.I also do not believe they are in league with the NWO.

    They will at some point gain control over their asia sphere.Sheer demographics will propel this.Japan better watch out.The rape of Nanking is not forgotten on the Chinese.

  22. beau February 28, 2007 9:43 pm

    First Boomer,
    thanks for your service in the nam.
    Roger that about GOD and his lovingkindness.

    Beau-out

  23. Rich February 28, 2007 9:46 pm

    Welcome Boomer, but be warned.

    People here tend to get addicted to this site, then they go partially insane, temporarily!

    Cheers Rich

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  27. Ken March 1, 2007 4:38 am

    A Ron Paul is too little too late.

    As with Ross Perot ‘they’ will find a way to either bring him in or threaten him in such a way to cause him to drop out.

    The HSJ letter was correct. They elite win. It was never an even match. With the takeover of our schools we as a whole no longer possess the critical skills needed to crawl out of this mess.

    This nation is toast

    How about those who recommend we have gold. Go take a 1 oz. Gold Coin and lay it down for payment at your local business, any business. You will get laughed out of the business… but they will happily snap up those worthless FRN’s.

    Thats where we are folks. The Gold will do you little good unless you have a way of converting it to ‘their’ cash and ‘they’ control that.

    Maybe you think you can leave the country. Where? Show me a nation that embraces the individual liberty and freedoms we used to have.

    We are between the proverbial rock and a hard place. It took blood and suffering, NOT gold, to win our freedom in the first place and it will take the same to win them back.

    You can’t buy freedom… even with gold.

  28. skeptical March 1, 2007 5:11 am

    bp says “before we achieve what Rockefeller wants we will dissolve into Chaos…now what develops out of that Chaos is the big question in my mind…”

    bp I beleive that NWO WILL be brought about through CHAOS. At least that is the vatican’s belief (what entity is behind this push to a NWO? - check the cover of Time I think it was June/July 2004), Therefore I believe that all the wars, financial crisis, etc are intentionally being waged for the exact purpose. Remember the Hegalian philosophy ~ Thesis - Antithesis = synthesis. So after all the wars and financial collapses we will get the intended “solution” that ALL sheeple will be begging for - Peace which can ONLY come about through a one world government and financial stability that can only come through a one world currency.

  29. First Boomer March 1, 2007 5:28 am

    Ken,
    Blood and suffering…and God. George Washington acknowledged the hand of Providence in his victory over the most powerful military force on earth. The signers of the Declaration of Independence acknowledged the hand of Providence in their deliberate statement of rebellion. Benjamin Franklin called for prayer for guidance in framing the Constitution. As a Nation we have become far too complacent in our treatment of God. We have forgotten the hand that delivered us from bondage…and we are paying the price. Only a return to sincere worship of God by each American patriot will deliver us from the bondage being slipped over on us. Failing to do so voluntarily, we will be brought to our knees by the calamities which befall us.
    “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty” 2 Cor 3:17

  30. bp March 1, 2007 5:35 am

    skeptical, I accept that as a possibility, but to me the probability is not very high - the need for control of such a system dooms it to failure considering the complexity of our infrastructures and the availability of weapons and explosives - you don’t see Iraqis begging for the “solution” do you?

  31. skeptical March 1, 2007 6:18 am

    bp

    That may be true, but don’t you think the Iraqis will get the “desired solution” anyhow?

    The Iraqis lived through a tough 10 years prior to the war and probably 50 tough years prior to that. They are not fat, greedy, soiled “children”. I bet the muerkans buckel under rather quickly. “We” are not at all used to hardship. “We” are fat and complacent. “We” will go down very quickly I believe.

  32. Rich March 1, 2007 7:03 am

    Sapiens #24, dude you rock!

    Wow, now that is some powerful stuff all consolidated in one place, quite amazing. I didn’t know about the bittorrent tracker for conspiracy central, I’ll check it out. I’m using utorrent on demonoid, but no stuff like you posted! Holy Moley, the Internet is amazing for getting the word out. I have a bunch of the books listed, and have wanted a bunch more.

    Great post man, one of the post important on this site ever, because contained in your post is the key to unlocking the minds of so many important people who do not understand HOW WE GOT HERE!

    Peace!

    Cheers Rich

  33. Rich March 1, 2007 7:13 am

    BTW people, if you didn’t know (and apologies is this is dumb info) but all you have to do to get the files listed in Sapiens post is to cut and past the link for the chosen book in to a browser and hit “enter.” That will download the book for you, then get reading.

    If you aren’t familiar with the subject of conspiracy theory, then perhaps start with the works of Anthony Sutton amd Eustace Mullins, then try to move on to Carrol Quigley (the book is 1500 pages - but is a history of the world up to about 1966 from the perspective of a US Yale professor - and he even speaks about the elite agenda in this book and his agreement with it on many things). Quigley was quoted by Clinton in his inauguration address, that ties to Clinton being a Rhodes Scholar, etc.

    Cheers Rich

  34. bp March 1, 2007 7:18 am

    skeptical, yes….and no, heh - sure a large portion of our population is fat and complacent, but I have kept a close eye on our citizens - there are some gritty people out there able to survive on little…a lot of people are now getting by in an underground market, a fair number of younger people have given up on the American Dream - I’m not saying things are gonna be peaches and cream, but it’s not the dream of the elite that is gonna happen either.

    my guess is that eventually the transfer of wealth will come to a halt, power (political and energy) will become more local and leveled…not that they won’t try to hold onto their power and privilege, and we can have some very bad years ahead since some are closely tied to organized crime - things will get ugly, I’m sure; but in the end their effort will fail - these elites are, in a sense, more dependent on the complex infrastructure of society than the majority of the citizens - they have their weaknesses, too

  35. muleskinner March 1, 2007 7:39 am

    “The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds render them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one. Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.” — From Benito Mussolini

    Mussolini met an untimely demise. Paradise it wasn’t.

    “We can have a democratic society or we can have the concentration of great wealth in the hands of the few. We cannot have both.” — Louis Brandeis, Supreme Court Justice from 1916-1939.

    http://www.animationnation.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000555

  36. Sapiens March 1, 2007 7:43 am

    Rich, we are all in this together! We should not give up.

    Here is the above with ready links.

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  37. Jeremiah March 1, 2007 7:47 am

    BP,
    THe Iraqis are still tribal. They have never lived in a democratic nation where they could vote themselves dough.
    Westerners are a different breed entirely. The last vestiges of Euro tribalism ended with World War I.
    Has anyone heard of the Free State Project? Maybe too little, too late. But I can see some progress over here (Ohio).
    I too believe there is a dollar crash being engineered. I think NWO progress will be much slower than many posters here demonstrate. It will not happen in my lifetime, let alone David Rockefeller’s. Unless he’s found the fountain of youth!
    If anyone has not seen Children of Men, catch it in theaters. It is moving.

  38. bp March 1, 2007 8:48 am

    36, Jeremiah, yes, I understand, but you ought to meet my relatives - they still all live in the country within a dozen miles of each other - they are involved in construction related occupations and farming, definitely clannish — how much of that goes on here - family is becoming a important value in this country again - I don’t think one has to be literal in the interpretation of “tribal”, I would consider the Amish tribal

    I definitely want to see that movie

  39. Glenn March 1, 2007 8:53 am

    Ron Paul, One of our last Great, Great elected officals. I’m 110% behind him. VERY INTERESTING= I posted my feelings on him and the Federal Reserve (creating money out of thin air)in a group on YAHOO. The whole group was shut down and the person I posted under was locked out of yahoo group. Yahoo has been sold out on free speech. Now I guess I made the watch list.freedom is not free.

  40. Zephyr March 1, 2007 10:10 am

    Pardon the interruption, as it were. Forgive me for any flair for the dramatic. I grately thank Larry, Rich Surfdude, Kia and Michael for their show of support and for inviting me back. I thank Dr Jane for her personal e-mail. I thank Pono Huna for his personal phone call.

    Bottom line, I’ll be back in due course. My mother is dying, imminently or so I’m told, so I’m a little distracted. To those of you who consider this information superfluous to your precious financial discussions, you’re cordially invited to plant a big wet on my left cheek…you know which one.

    I will be back, better than ever. I’m sure some will be pleased, some will not. That’s what makes life so interesting, grand and unpredictable.

    Lastly, Cornhusker…Thanks for your warning, if not for you the door might have hit me in the ass on the way out. Now you should be watchful for my grand return so that the doorknob doesn’t get stuck in your ass when I throw open the door!

    :-D See ya whenever I’m up to it.

  41. noamericanidle March 1, 2007 10:38 am

    All over but the shouting.

    This is my first post at this site. I am amazed at how enlightened all are. General power consolidations are taking hold at faster and faster paces. The nation-state is dead, as is the corporation structure. We will see further and further consolidation of political power within the US and the North America. How else to explain standing down the Mexican immigration issue. Now the US dollar just has to collapse and the “patriots” will be begging for North American Union formation.

    Private equity and hedge funds are supplanting corporations.

    This is happening in tandem and is no cooincidence as they are roughly the same insiders. US political system is broken (sshh don’t tell anyone as the word has yet to get out; too busy watching anna nicole saga and American Idol -American Idle.)

    All need to heed Katrina warning — look out for yourself and be prepared for disaster - financial, natural, or otherwise. This government is not yours anymore.

    Two other points - parents moving to Panama to escape the matrix as much as possible. Cheap good warm living for U.S. expats, but even that is experiencing inflation ($ based economy.), but is a better tax environment

    NYSE computers’ integrity being viewed sceptically by specialists and traders. Insider control? New development? or just more brazen?

  42. kia March 1, 2007 11:05 am

    Zephyr,

    Just a note to wish you and your Mom the best in coping with her transition into her next adventure. Grieving ain’t easy for anyone, but it is a reminder of our love for our lost ones.

    Peace be with you brother, and please wish your Mom all the best with her next adventure.

  43. bp March 1, 2007 11:19 am

    zephyr, my thoughts are with you and your mom and pay no heed to Cornhusker, I’m sure if he had know the situation he would have not been so rude - look forward to your return

    Take Care

  44. Sapiens March 1, 2007 11:51 am

    Zephyr let her know how much you love her. The memories we make are priceless. Do not be afraid to grieve, my prayers are with you.

    -Sapiens

  45. bp March 1, 2007 11:53 am

    just to go along with the topics of the day Michael has links to - http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/180573

  46. the stranger March 1, 2007 12:30 pm

    Zephyr, I can think of few things more difficult; good luck and Godspeed…

    Sapiens, what a list man – I’ll have to comment months from now.

    I too agree with Shultz’s. I had the unlikely pleasure of reading that entire issue – I may subscribe. It’s mixed blessing to have such esteemed confirmation of many of our views here. 10/90 is a telling ratio, and I think that too is accurate and says much. Posting here falls inside that 10%

  47. kia March 1, 2007 12:32 pm

    bp,

    Don’t you love how the MSM portrays downturns? At the first hint of one the machine immediately starts spewing it’s “product” which amounts to some version of “the downturn has bottomed and is really and upturn.”

    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength

    Bottoms up to You my Friend

  48. Zephyr March 1, 2007 12:35 pm

    Bp, Sapiens, please forgive me in not including you in my initial thanks in post 40. Kia, thanks, as you have always wished my mother well. This is what makes this board and the people on it very special! Even those that are primarily worshippers at the money alter. Forgive me for being so harsh. But guys and gals, there is so, so much more to life than what we do with it. No matter what, we should never lose our humanity.

  49. kia March 1, 2007 12:43 pm

    Zephyr,

    Amen, brother, tell her to save us some room at the table on the other side. Look forward to hearing her tell her tales. Losing your Mom has got to be one of the toughest events someone can face, I trust that your strong faith will serve you well.

    It is a strength I admire.

  50. bp March 1, 2007 12:43 pm

    zephyr, agreed - and as much as I thought I would never say it, I have to stand with sapiens against giving in to doom and gloom here - life is a precious gift, one would not know joy if one did not also know sorrow.

    and kia, hehe - why is it that when everI run across people posting that climate change and peak oil are bogus, the post always reads like “This I Believe” on NPR, sheesh

  51. ostrich March 1, 2007 12:49 pm

    zephyr - my thoughts are with you and your mom

  52. kia March 1, 2007 12:55 pm

    bp,

    For what it is worth I contacted NPR about a piece written by someone with no purpose for belief. I submitted it, knowing that they would never select. For your entertainment:

    This I believe…Nothing

    I have no use for belief. I think it is harmful to a functioning mind, a developing spirit, and most importantly perilous to world peace.

    Observing the world’s monotheistic religions, they share once concept, the belief that they are right. Despite the fact that the Christians, Jews, and Muslims were all in the same place, at the same time, witnessing the same events, the next two thousand years of fighting and countless loss of life hasn’t settled much. Observation shows us that our ultimate future is a mystery to everyone of us. None of us know what lies beyond our death. If we could all accept the mystery, dispense with our belief systems and see the world for what it is, we could take a significant step toward peace and respect for all people.

    Our century old habit of regime change is one that we have practiced since 1893 starting in Hawaii and has moved through the Philippines, Cuba, Guatemala, Indonesia, Iran, Chile, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq and maybe Iran soon. We believe that we have a right to control the world’s energy sources through our creation of “Pipelinestan.” We are offended when Hugo Chavez in Venezuela or Evo Morales in Bolivia advance the idea that sovereign countries have the right to use their resources for the benefit of their citizens, rather than our multinational corporations.

    The U.S. has invaded sovereign countries 201 times since WWII motivated by the belief that the Americans are a peace loving people. Our belief in Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace would certainly make George Orwell smile. As a result of our beliefs we are involved in yet another crusade in the Middle East based on the belief that resources contained in sovereign countries are ours for us to use or more often waste as we wish. We believe that we were right to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to hasten the end of WWII, but are outraged when we are targeted by bombings of the U.S. Cole, our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the World Trade Center in 1993 and again in 2001.

    We believe we have the right to the services provided by illegal immigrants picking our crops, mowing our lawns, cleaning our pools and raising our children, but are outraged when they demand a path to legalization.

    Beliefs in our democracy lead the government to limit the availability of abortions, stem-cell based medical treatment, science education, and same sex marriage. Never mind that gays and lesbians alike are both entitled to equal protection under the law as enshrined in our constitution.

    Ideas expand one’s horizons and our capability to best observe our world. Ideas can motivate actions which have the power to transform ourselves and the world we inhabit. Belief places one’s mind in a hermetically sealed can that precludes it’s receipt of additional information. Beliefs constrain our ability to consider the ideas of others and respect their human rights. Beliefs limit our ability to change our own minds and further our own personal development. Belief is a one way dead end.

    Our beliefs are sowing the seeds of our own destruction. As we lurch into 21st century, the world’s only superpower who believes that military strength preserves our security finds itself alone, soon to be surpassed by Asian economies who understand that security in this young century is based on economic power. Meanwhile our adventurism undermines our security.

    Our beliefs are blinding us to the facts of today’s world and are hampering our ability to make sound decisions and take effective actions to preserve our security and further world peace. We cling to them at our own future peril.

    Not much of a surprise that they rejected it.

  53. Administrator March 1, 2007 1:13 pm

    Zephyr - take care. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your mom. It it rough - I know from first-hand experience.

    Take care.
    Michael

  54. Rich March 1, 2007 1:38 pm

    Hey z.

    All the best to you and your Mum. Hopefully she’s lived a long and rich life and you can get to share some more precious moments with her before it’s over.

    Life’s Rich Pageant my friend.

    Love and Peace, Rich

  55. Zephyr March 1, 2007 2:07 pm

    I thought I posted something but apparently it didn’t go through or I hit the wrong key or Michael is screening it. I must add to my ever growing grateful list…. Ostrich And Stranger. Stranger, in particular, having enlightened me to quit being so quick to jump to conclusions. I am not one to be afraid to show my emotions but I tend to keep them private…..a select few or just between me and God. I asked everyone to leave the room today at the nursing home so that I could speak to my mother alone. I have been overwhelmed by the response on this website. You have shown me that I am neither too old to continue to learn nor already wise enough that I can’t learn much, much more from from my fellow bretheren.

    Now I must leave for now before I start shedding some digital tears, thereby short-circuiting BNB and causing you fine people to turn on me. :-)

    I will be back….I just need some time….after all, this is my mother….and we have been very, very close. I lost my father in Oct. of 98. Seems like yesterday. Peace all….I luv you folks….in a man-rules sort of way.

  56. bp March 1, 2007 2:43 pm

    kia #52, yeah - I believe in keeping an open mind, heh…..and not arguing about words like “belief” - I do understand where you are coming from - I have a hard time with people that are arrogant in their beliefs, who believe they hold the truth and argue with a closed mind

    hehe, that’s funny…this I believe…nothing - they probably thought you were some kind of prankster

    way I figure it is that people in this world operate with a set of beliefs that they use as a frame of reference that orients them to things happening around them and helps them decide on a course of action - the bigger the frame of reference, the wider the options for action, when that frame of reference stops connecting to events in a meaningful way, people have big problems functioning - start getting mental illness - I figure mental illness in this country is on the increase

    I know sapiens says go out and spread the word, but…..sometimes the messenger is shot, I prefer to be a bit more subtle, hehe

  57. kia March 1, 2007 3:52 pm

    bp,

    Yeah, prankster might be a better handle for me, I can change to it if you’d like.

    I think your point is salient, people go insane when their beliefs collide with the events. Living in a Christian country which overall believes in heaven, you’d expect based on that belief that they would welcome death, and their reunion with their Maker. Yet in practice we fear Death. This fear is so strong that we have lost the ability to discern between quantity and quality of life. Societally we spend over 85% of our health care dollars on patients in their last two months of their lives.

    One wonders what we are buying?

    Just leave me on the ice thanks, I can feed the eagles in the winter be fish food upon break-up.

    I’m thinking of re-branding health care for children as a National Security issue, We need healthy children to send to the Perpetual War to achieve the Perpetual Peace. Make it Patriotic and all that Rot….

    Peace.

  58. ostrich March 1, 2007 4:21 pm

    Kia - now that i find out I’m beliefless, can I still use the phrase I believe?

  59. the stranger March 1, 2007 4:34 pm

    - new Marc Faber interview, must view…

  60. Sapiens March 1, 2007 4:39 pm

    bp, American patriots have already been faced with people like you.

    In the words of Samuel Adams:

    “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, What should be the reward of such sacrifices? … If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom — go from us in peace. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you.”

    Amen!

    -Sapiens

  61. muleskinner March 1, 2007 4:53 pm

    I

  62. vince occasional visitor March 1, 2007 5:25 pm

    I stop in and see what topic is being discussed here on occasion, y’all (sorry I’m from the south) share some good information here. I also commend the administrator for this site. Its rare that I am able to discuss this subject with others, my family and friends think I have lost my mind. I have only been studying this (NWO) subject for a couple of years, many of y’all seem to know more than I. But I want to share where my search for the truth has led me so far. I recently read the book of Enoch which some of you may know about, the Vatican supressed this book along with others for over 1000 years, it used to be in the bible. This book knocked my socks off. I think the ultimate source of the knowledge and power of what we call the new world order (although its much deeper and goes back much further than most fathom IMO) is explained in this ancient book. For me it has connected many dots, For any one studying this subject it is a short read and can be obtained thru amazon. Some people may consider one of the books which analyze the book of Enoch, sorry I don’t have a title for you right now but I think one is Fallen Angles The Origins of Evil which I have not read yet.

  63. mikeck44 March 1, 2007 5:48 pm

    Zephyr,
    May God help you through these trying times. As time has moved on since the passing of my parents, things keep popping up that I wish I had asked them. Rack your brain and ask while you can.

  64. First Boomer March 1, 2007 5:50 pm

    Kia,
    You are either on God’s side or on the “other” side. Your disbelief is no more relevant to the issue than one who doesn’t believe in electricity. Stick your finger in the socket and you still light up!
    When choosing which side to be on, take a look around first. The anti-God side is chock full of collectivists…communists, fascists, liberals, and other assorted vermin.
    No doubt very serious evil has been foisted on people in the name of religion. “Dark forces” have a propensity to latch onto anything which furthers their gameplan.
    Real religion is about love, peace, and good will to man.
    Siding with the “enemy” is not a winning game plan.
    As the saying goes…”ya pays yer money and ya picks yer poison.”
    Good luck sorting it out.

  65. kia March 1, 2007 5:59 pm

    Ostrich,

    It’s interesting isn’t it? I catch myself all the time with “I believe…”. I substitute “I think..

    The reason being is we have all heard about bad ideas. Anyone reading this thread knows that I have expressed them. But how often do we hear someone speak of a bad belief?

    Never, despite the fact the Muslims believe women are second class citizens and equal to a cow (if they are lucky), or that the Christians don’t believe in equal protection under the law for gays and lesbians.

    These are bad beliefs.

    There I said it, challenging the foolish stupidity of “believers.”

    Beliefs confine our minds in hermetically sealed cans preventing us from considering new information. Without considering new information how are you able change, evolve (oops, BAD word) and adapt to our environment.

    The nice thing above ideas is I can present them, and you folks can shoot ‘em down. I can recognize that it was a bad idea and I get to own up to it (like my collisions with Zeph, Stranger and Rich). And I can go onto my next idea.

    But when I challenge people’ beliefs….get out the body armor.

    So in the interest of keeping things friendly. I think, and am happy to have the feedback on my wrong-headedness.

    This is my Foolish Path.

    Peace.

    P.S. Stranger, great interview with Faber! Thanks.

  66. kia March 1, 2007 6:02 pm

    First Boomer,

    Thanks for your encouragement, I need it.

    I look forward to your (and my) real religion being instituted by it’s believers. Then we’ll have a shot at:

    Peace

  67. mikeck44 March 1, 2007 6:10 pm

    Jeremiah,

    Not only have I heard of the Free State Project, but I spent three days with them in Concrod, NH this past weekend at the Liberty Forum. What a great group of people. 350 Liberty minded people in one location was a real treat. I met and spoke with both Ron Paul and Michael Badnarik. Ron’s hope is that we can soon change the NH motto from, Live Free or Die! to Live Free and Live!

  68. Lurker March 1, 2007 6:13 pm

    Do all threads go sowildly off track like this one? I’m back to CNN - at least it’s consistent.

  69. Lurker March 1, 2007 6:16 pm

    At least MN knows when to close a thread. Now, Michael?

  70. larry March 1, 2007 6:16 pm

    zephyr…i hear what you are going through….to every season….also,i get your view on the money thing…i had those thoughts when i began reading,several years back,all these sort of independent economist sites…money,money,money…..i was sick of it….but,now i accept it….the money is what ‘they’ want…we must understand how to survive this matrix that has been created in no small way do to the abuse of the money/power crowd….i have a very hard time living with many of the realizations i have come to as of late…i was made a servant serf to their system over my life; and well,yes,i vigerously oppose the entire concept…yes,i am mad as hell…the collective we(us unorganized independents)have few chances left..best to you in your time of desperation

  71. Doc Stump March 1, 2007 7:45 pm

    Uncle Harry! The thought police own the lawyers via the fed’s rubber monopoly money. I hope U are eating flax & chia with groats & stabilized rice bran each a.m.?? Drink your pomegranete juice? Then take your epicor, from Swansons like a good old boy? Remember I talked with U while on escape about the “crash” in 1990, well I was way too early. Conrad Lacy, “Freedom News Digest, of San Bernardino, Ca. said essentially your words in 1984, while we published his little attempt to stem the tide of Empire. The End Time is now, but, that is good news. Details on diet & exercise will extend your healthy years past this period in history, as my good friend David said; “We are all lunatics Doc, U know that”, Amen!

  72. sinsky March 1, 2007 8:29 pm

    Kia 52….

    There you go again expousing why I also try not to believe anything. Unfortunately, I ain’t as articulate as you- as you said it so well.

    Belief shuts down the opportunity to see where the other person is coming from. Us sheeple need to realize that this whole divide and conquer game really sucks. Its my guess pretty much every normal person on this planet just wants a little dignity and needs to be left alone. Try to remember that news these days is portrayed in a way to get a rise in your anger and if you realize that, you can diffuse the whole situation. What if they gave a war and no one came?

    Zephyr-

    I haven’t had the opportunity to really get to know you by your posts, but I can empathize with you on your mom moving on. I’ve been there, done that and now is a good time to spend some quality time with her. In my mind, she is going home as we all will do someday. Like Kia says, its the next adventure. Peace to you and your mom.

  73. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 5:28 am

    Hope you’re still reading zephyr. I can’t imagine what you’re going through. I don’t know whether you believe in God(not neccesarily religion), but I will say a prayer for you. I won’t say one for your mother, as she is probably already making peace. I will say a prayer for you to accept this as best you can. Know she is going to a better place. She must be going to her rest happy in the knowledge that she got to see you grow up to be such an intelegent and caring person.

    I bet she is very proud of you!! Peace truly be with you and your mother and family!…

    Robert NW Ohio

  74. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 5:40 am

    Sorry to be so emotional in that last post, my wife is slowly going through the same process with her Dad. He’s been in and out of the hospital for months now. It is absolutely draining her. I know how hard it is..

    In regards to Ron Paul. I don’t know about the rest of you, but this is the line in the sand for me. I’m going to use LOT’S OF CAPITAL LETTERS to express how strongly I feel about this.. So here it goes.

    THIS IS OUT LAST CHANCE PEOPLE. You have got to stand up and fight. The power in charge have tested their plan multiple times now, and there is NO RESISTANCE.

    The 4th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq is coming up in Mid March. I for one plan to attend any local protests. And I’m bring my WHO IS RON PAUL?? Sign with me.

    I am going to bring stickers and flyer’s to hand out. I am planning on saving at least 5 days vacation so I can spend a week in New Hampshire to help his campaign.

    What we lack in money and size we gain in PURE RAW PASSION. We know what the stakes are, the other side doesn’t. They blindly go about supporting McCain or Obama.

    We all know that Ron Paul isn’t the end all beat all solution. HE IS A SYMBOL!!! He is a symbol that says we will not go down without a fight. When people in this country see the raw determination and fight we have when it comes to our support of Ron Paul people will take notice.

    The Major media has taken to ignoring Ron Paul, but those road blocks are starting to fall. He made it on CNN’s Lou Dobb’s for a few minutes friday. He’s had some write ups in a few national papers.

    So now that the ignoring part is over, they will soon start to ridicule him. Such as the slam piece by George”neoCon”Will. It was camouflaged as a complimentary piece, but the ultimate point of the article was “HE IS An ANACHRONISM”. Meaning his point of view is no longer valid.

    Expect these hit pieces to continue. Until they don’t work anymore. Then the fight will come to us full force. We must be ready to fight this fight both in the trenches and in the hearts and minds.

    The state is grasping hard to keep it’s hands on the reigns of power. It’s by no means a done deal, but it’s getting close. FIGHT NOW, or we’ll all be holing up in our own personal fortresses for possibly the rest of our lives.

    What good is all this knowledge will all collectively posses if we don’t use it. THIS IS THE TIME TO FIGHT. Some one has stabbed the standard into the ground. It’s time to rally to that standard. Ron Paul is taking great personal risk in doing this. HE DID IT BECAUSE WE ASKED HIM TO!! Rally to his cause, because his cause is our cause.

    End SERMON!!

    Robert NW Ohio

  75. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 5:41 am

    Sorry to be so emotional in that last post, my wife is slowly going through the same process with her Dad. He’s been in and out of the hospital for months now. It is absolutely draining her. I know how hard it is..

    In regards to Ron Paul. I don’t know about the rest of you, but this is the line in the sand for me. I’m going to use LOT’S OF CAPITAL LETTERS to express how strongly I feel about this.. So here it goes.

    THIS IS OUT LAST CHANCE PEOPLE. You have got to stand up and fight. The power in charge have tested their plan multiple times now, and there is NO RESISTANCE.

    The 4th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq is coming up in Mid March. I for one plan to attend any local protests. And I’m bring my WHO IS RON PAUL?? Sign with me.

    I am going to bring stickers and flyer’s to hand out. I am planning on saving at least 5 days vacation so I can spend a week in New Hampshire to help his campaign.

    What we lack in money and size we gain in PURE RAW PASSION. We know what the stakes are, the other side doesn’t. They blindly go about supporting McCain or Obama.

    We all know that Ron Paul isn’t the end all beat all solution. HE IS A SYMBOL!!! He is a symbol that says we will not go down without a fight. When people in this country see the raw determination and fight we have when it comes to our support of Ron Paul people will take notice.

    The Major media has taken to ignoring Ron Paul, but those road blocks are starting to fall. He made it on CNN’s Lou Dobb’s for a few minutes friday. He’s had some write ups in a few national papers.

    So now that the ignoring part is over, they will soon start to ridicule him. Such as the slam piece by George”neoCon”Will. It was camouflaged as a complimentary piece, but the ultimate point of the article was “HE IS An ANACHRONISM”. Meaning his point of view is no longer valid.

    Expect these hit pieces to continue. Until they don’t work anymore. Then the fight will come to us full force. We must be ready to fight this fight both in the trenches and in the hearts and minds.

    The state is grasping hard to keep it’s hands on the reigns of power. It’s by no means a done deal, but it’s getting close. FIGHT NOW, or we’ll all be holing up in our own personal fortresses for possibly the rest of our lives.

    What good is all this knowledge will all collectively posses if we don’t use it. THIS IS THE TIME TO FIGHT. Some one has stabbed the standard into the ground. It’s time to rally to that standard. Ron Paul is taking great personal risk in doing this. HE DID IT BECAUSE WE ASKED HIM TO!! Rally to his cause, because his cause is our cause.

    End SERMON!!

    Robert NW Ohio

  76. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 5:45 am

    Sorry to be so emotional in that last post, my wife is slowly going through the same process with her Dad. He’s been in and out of the hospital for months now. It is absolutely draining her. I know how hard it is..

    In regards to Ron Paul. I don’t know about the rest of you, but this is the line in the sand for me. I’m going to use LOT’S OF CAPITAL LETTERS to express how strongly I feel about this.. So here it goes.

    THIS IS OUT LAST CHANCE PEOPLE. You have got to stand up and fight. The powers in charge have tested their plan multiple times now, and there is NO RESISTANCE.

    The 4th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq is coming up in Mid March. I for one plan to attend any local protests. And I’m bringing my WHO IS RON PAUL?? Sign with me.

    I am going to bring stickers and flyer’s to hand out. I am planning on saving at least 5 days vacation so I can spend a week in New Hampshire to help his campaign.

    What we lack in money and size we gain in PURE RAW PASSION. We know what the stakes are, the other side doesn’t. They blindly go about supporting McCain or Obama.

    We all know that Ron Paul isn’t the end all beat all solution. HE IS A SYMBOL!!! He is a symbol that says we will not go down without a fight. When people in this country see the raw determination and fight we have when it comes to our support of Ron Paul people will take notice.

    The Major media has taken to ignoring Ron Paul, but those road blocks are starting to fall. He made it on CNN’s Lou Dobb’s for a few minutes friday. He’s had some write ups in a few national papers.

    So now that the ignoring part is over, they will soon start to ridiculing him. Such as the slam piece by George”neoCon”Will. It was camouflaged as a complimentary piece, but the ultimate point of the article was “HE IS An ANACHRONISM”. Meaning his point of view is no longer valid.

    Expect these hit pieces to continue. Until they don’t work anymore. Then the fight will come to us full force. We must be ready to fight this fight both in the trenches and in the hearts and minds.

    The state is grasping hard to keep it’s hands on the reigns of power. It’s by no means a done deal, but it’s getting close. FIGHT NOW, or we’ll all be holing up in our own personal fortresses for possibly the rest of our lives.

    What good is all this knowledge we all collectively posses if we don’t use it. THIS IS THE TIME TO FIGHT. Some one has stabbed the standard into the ground. It’s time to rally to that standard. Ron Paul is taking great personal risk in doing this. HE DID IT BECAUSE WE ASKED HIM TO!! Rally to his cause, because his cause is our cause.

    End SERMON!!

    Robert NW Ohio

  77. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 5:48 am

    Sorry to be so emotional in that last post, my wife is slowly going through the same process with her Dad. He’s been in and out of the hospital for months now. It is absolutely draining her. I know how hard it is..

    In regards to Ron Paul. I don’t know about the rest of you, but this is the line in the sand for me. I’m going to use LOT’S OF CAPITAL LETTERS to express how strongly I feel about this.. So here it goes.

    THIS IS OUT LAST CHANCE PEOPLE. You have got to stand up and fight. The powers in charge have tested their plan multiple times now, and there is NO RESISTANCE.

    The 4th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq is coming up in Mid March. I for one plan to attend any local protests. And I’m bringing my WHO IS RON PAUL?? Sign with me.

    I am going to bring stickers and flyer’s to hand out. I am planning on saving at least 5 days vacation so I can spend a week in New Hampshire to help his campaign.

    What we lack in money and size we gain in PURE RAW PASSION. We know what the stakes are, the other side doesn’t. They blindly go about supporting McCain or Obama.

    We all know that Ron Paul isn’t the end all beat all solution. HE IS A SYMBOL!!! He is a symbol that says we will not go down without a fight. When people in this country see the raw determination and fight we have when it comes to our support of Ron Paul people will take notice.

    The Major media has taken to ignoring Ron Paul, but those road blocks are starting to fall. He made it on CNN’s Lou Dobb’s for a few minutes friday. He’s had some write ups in a few national papers.

    So now that the ignoring part is over, they will soon start to ridiculing him. Such as the slam piece by George”neoCon”Will. It was camouflaged as a complimentary piece, but the ultimate point of the article was “HE IS An ANACHRONISM”. Meaning his point of view is no longer valid.

    Expect these hit pieces to continue. Until they don’t work anymore. Then the fight will come to us full force. We must be ready to fight this fight both in the trenches and in the hearts and minds.

    The state is grasping hard to keep it’s hands on the reigns of power. It’s by no means a done deal, but it’s getting close. FIGHT NOW, or we’ll all be holing up in our own personal fortresses for possibly the rest of our lives.

    What good is all this knowledge we all collectively posses if we don’t use it. THIS IS THE TIME TO FIGHT. Some one has stabbed the standard into the ground. It’s time to rally to that standard. Ron Paul is taking great personal risk in doing this. HE DID IT BECAUSE WE ASKED HIM TO!! Rally to his cause, because his cause is our cause.

    End SERMON!!

    Robert NW Ohio

  78. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 5:52 am

    Sorry to be so emotional in that last post, my wife is slowly going through the same process with her Dad. He’s been in and out of the hospital for months now. It is absolutely draining her. I know how hard it is..

    In regards to Ron Paul. I don’t know about the rest of you, but this is the line in the sand for me. I’m going to use LOT’S OF CAPITAL LETTERS to express how strongly I feel about this.. So here it goes.

    THIS IS OUT LAST CHANCE PEOPLE. You have got to stand up and fight. The powers in charge have tested their plan multiple times now, and there is NO RESISTANCE.

    The 4th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq is coming up in Mid March. I for one plan to attend any local protests. And I’m bringing my WHO IS RON PAUL?? Sign with me.

    I am going to bring stickers and flyer’s to hand out. I am planning on saving at least 5 days vacation so I can spend a week in New Hampshire to help his campaign.

    What we lack in money and size we gain in PURE RAW PASSION. We know what the stakes are, the other side doesn’t. They blindly go about supporting McCain or Obama.

    We all know that Ron Paul isn’t the end all beat all solution. HE IS A SYMBOL!!! He is a symbol that says we will not go down without a fight. When people in this country see the raw determination and fight we have when it comes to our support of Ron Paul people will take notice.

    The Major media has taken to ignoring Ron Paul, but those road blocks are starting to fall. He made it on CNN’s Lou Dobb’s for a few minutes friday. He’s had some write ups in a few national papers.

    So now that the ignoring part is over, they will soon start to ridiculing him. Such as the slam piece by George”neoCon”Will. It was camouflaged as a complimentary piece, but the ultimate point of the article was “HE IS An ANACHRONISM”. Meaning his point of view is no longer valid.

    Expect these hit pieces to continue. Until they don’t work anymore. Then the fight will come to us full force. We must be ready to fight this fight both in the trenches and in the hearts and minds.

    The state is grasping hard to keep it’s hands on the reigns of power. It’s by no means a done deal, but it’s getting close. FIGHT NOW, or we’ll all be holing up in our own personal fortresses for possibly the rest of our lives.

    What good is all this knowledge we all collectively posses if we don’t use it. THIS IS THE TIME TO FIGHT. Some one has stabbed the standard into the ground. It’s time to rally to that standard. Ron Paul is taking great personal risk in doing this. HE DID IT BECAUSE WE ASKED HIM TO!! Rally to his cause, because his cause is our cause.

    End SERMON!!

    Robert NW Ohio

  79. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 5:55 am

    Sorry to be so emotional in that last post, my wife is slowly going through the same process with her Dad. He’s been in and out of the hospital for months now. It is absolutely draining her. I know how hard it is..

    In regards to Ron Paul. I don’t know about the rest of you, but this is the line in the sand for me. I’m going to use LOT’S OF CAPITAL LETTERS to express how strongly I feel about this.. So here it goes.

    THIS IS OUT LAST CHANCE PEOPLE. You have got to stand up and fight. The powers in charge have tested their plan multiple times now, and there is NO RESISTANCE.

    The 4th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq is coming up in Mid March. I for one plan to attend any local protests. And I’m bringing my WHO IS RON PAUL?? Sign with me.

    I am going to bring stickers and flyer’s to hand out. I am planning on saving at least 5 days vacation so I can spend a week in New Hampshire to help his campaign.

    What we lack in money and size we gain in PURE RAW PASSION. We know what the stakes are, the other side doesn’t. They blindly go about supporting McCain or Obama.

    We all know that Ron Paul isn’t the end all beat all solution. HE IS A SYMBOL!!! He is a symbol that says we will not go down without a fight. When people in this country see the raw determination and fight we have when it comes to our support of Ron Paul people will take notice.

    The Major media has taken to ignoring Ron Paul, but those road blocks are starting to fall. He made it on CNN’s Lou Dobb’s for a few minutes friday. He’s had some write ups in a few national papers.

    So now that the ignoring part is over, they will soon start to ridiculing him. Such as the slam piece by George”neoCon”Will. It was camouflaged as a complimentary piece, but the ultimate point of the article was “HE IS An ANACHRONISM”. Meaning his point of view is no longer valid.

    Expect these hit pieces to continue. Until they don’t work anymore. Then the fight will come to us full force. We must be ready to fight this fight both in the trenches and in the hearts and minds.

    The state is grasping hard to keep it’s hands on the reigns of power. It’s by no means a done deal, but it’s getting close. FIGHT NOW, or we’ll all be holing up in our own personal fortresses for possibly the rest of our lives.

    What good is all this knowledge we all collectively posses if we don’t use it. THIS IS THE TIME TO FIGHT. Some one has stabbed the standard into the ground. It’s time to rally to that standard. Ron Paul is taking great personal risk in doing this. HE DID IT BECAUSE WE ASKED HIM TO!! Rally to his cause, because his cause is our cause.

    End SERMON!!

    Robert NW Ohio

  80. bp March 2, 2007 6:19 am

    #60, Sapiens - darn just when I put in a good word for you, you go busting on me - rather judgmental aren’t you, hehe - since you seem to be big into quotes let me throw a few back at you - “Fools rush in where angels fear to tread”; “Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves”, and…”On to everything there is a season…”

    I suppose you don’t get my point, but I think you understand the importance of discrimination in ones decisions and actions - You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em, and when to fold them - there is no value to me in “casting pearls before swine” as you have implied so many times before…so where do you draw the line patriot?? Are you just inciting to riot here? or do you just enjoy impugning people’s character…sapien, indeed…where is your wisdom…or do you just enjoy feeling superior to others

    hm, I suppose you will do like last time and go sulk in a corner and not engage in discussion, preferring to retreat into your feeling of superiority rather than face up to the possibility that part of your problem with me and others here may lie within yourself

    I, for one, try to own up when I’m in the wrong, hold erroneous beliefs, or make a mistake - I seek a better understanding by engaging with others…a self taught man always has the temptation of feeling superior to others…a dangerous point to reach, as it indicates an end to receiving fresh insight from others, the beginning of a closed mind

  81. muleskinner March 2, 2007 6:21 am

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  82. muleskinner March 2, 2007 6:25 am

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  83. bp March 2, 2007 7:26 am

    whoa, seven times - now that is what I call emphasis, FeelingWeird, heheh - I’ll blame it on Michael’s server - I’ve had trouble posting today too

  84. Sapiens March 2, 2007 7:32 am

    I suppose you don’t get my point, but I think you understand the importance of discrimination in ones decisions and actions - You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em, and when to fold them - there is no value to me in “casting pearls before swine” as you have implied so many times before…so where do you draw the line patriot?? Are you just inciting to riot here? or do you just enjoy impugning people’s character…sapien, indeed…where is your wisdom…or do you just enjoy feeling superior to others

    hm, I suppose you will do like last time and go sulk in a corner and not engage in discussion, preferring to retreat into your feeling of superiority rather than face up to the possibility that part of your problem with me and others here may lie within yourself

    While you think I am sulking, I am sowing the fields. You already know what needs to be done, now do it.

    I have seen that cowards are good with words, yet short of action. Take it as you wish, since I do not have time to placate your feelings of inferiority.

  85. FeelingWeird March 2, 2007 7:36 am

    Sorry :(

    Hangs head in internet shame…..

    Robert NW ohio

  86. bp March 2, 2007 9:45 am

    While you think I am sulking, I am sowing the fields. You already know what needs to be done, now do it.

    I have seen that cowards are good with words, yet short of action. Take it as you wish, since I do not have time to placate your feelings of inferiority.

  87. bp March 2, 2007 9:47 am

    sapiens, the only thing I see you sowing is discord amongst the very people you expect to share your point of view - pray tell have you really converted anyone to your point of view??

  88. m1953 March 2, 2007 10:46 am

    Zephyr
    So Glad you decided to stay on board, I wish you stregnth and peace on the journey you are about to take concerning your mom. May God bless and keep the both of you.

  89. Breck March 2, 2007 1:23 pm

    Ken wrote; “This nation is toast. How about those who recommend we have gold. Go take a 1 oz. Gold Coin and lay it down for payment at your local business, any business. You will get laughed out of the business… but they will happily snap up those worthless FRN’s.

    “Thats where we are folks. The Gold will do you little good unless you have a way of converting it to ‘their’ cash and ‘they’ control that. Maybe you think you can leave the country. Where? Show me a nation that embraces the individual liberty and freedoms we used to have.
    “We are between the proverbial rock and a hard place.”

    Ken, I agree with you. And Harry. I have been saying the same thing for two years now, since the 2004 election, at least. Reading Morris Berman’s book “Dark Ages America” is what did it for me recently. He has some very specific things to say about the American culture and American people. As he points out, the real problem we have right now is the American People! How are you going to change things when what you have to change are the people? He then goes on to give ample evidence as to why you can’t change the American people. Basically because they are too stupid. And this goes WAY back to pubic education as much as to the corporatism that has brain-washed them today via the media.

    Oh believe me I have looked and looked hard at other places to live. The nations that I might like are not going to let me in without a nest egg of about $600,000 to bring with me. Unfortunately it is not a matter of choosing which country to go to. You don’t have that luxury. Other nations are not as stupid as we are and let anyone in that can walk across the border to a welfare office.

    No, we are doomed. Plain and simple.

  90. Dr Jane Karlsson March 3, 2007 3:47 am

    Sapiens, how has bp upset you? He never upsets anyone. He says a lot of wise things, gives us a lot of interesting information, and manages to do it without ruffling any feathers. What is the problem?

  91. the stranger March 3, 2007 9:07 am

    Robert, glad you’re back (too) and my best to your wife.
    “Hangs head in internet shame…” too funny, should be my line.
    Let’s take an honest look a at Will’s two-part Headline.

    A Cheerful Anachronism
    Rep. Ron Paul says he can find in the Constitution’s enumeration of the federal powers—Article I, Section 8—no reference to rice.

    Cheerful: that’s nice, but I don’t like nice, especially in presidents.
    I want tough seriousness as a foundation. Work up from that.

    Anachronism: something that is out of place in respect to the historical setting.

    Third: “no reference to rice” clearly a tough-n-cheek remark taken out of context. This implies so strict an interpretation of the constitution as to question Paul’s ability to reason. Some immediate inferences are unrealistic, stubborn, ineffective; not to mention a set up for an attack on the Constitution itself.

    Inside the article -

    He believes, with more stubbornness than evidence, that the federal government is a government of strictly enumerated powers…

    No Shit. So he’s sane. This is ‘killing two birds with one blade’ as we say at work. It attacks the US Constitution and uses Ron Paul as the mace; brilliantly insulting, and fitting if you think about it.

    If you were going to attack someone of Paul’s stature, how would you do it? Well here’s a link to the article, a blueprint; where you can find nice, accurate comments as well. My vocabulary is insufficient to describe the respect I have for Ron Paul; I wish he wouldn’t run.

    …so if U don’t row a boat with your family flag on it (not a nation flag), U may help sink your family & yourself. Schultz

    The most disturbing thing about comments like these, from people such as Harry Schultz, is I can’t write them off (like I can my own thoughts) as the raving of some lunatic.

  92. the stranger March 3, 2007 9:16 am

    The Constitution is the evidence’ - the concept, the framework, the foundation for the rule of law- that limits the federal government to strictly enumerated powers.

  93. Breck March 3, 2007 10:49 am

    By the way, Freudian slip, “pubic education”! Hahaha! Well maybe it IS pubic!

  94. Breck March 3, 2007 10:51 am

    First Boomer: “Benjamin Franklin called for prayer for guidance in framing the Constitution.”??!!!

    Please give me the citation for that quote. As I re-call Mr. Franklin was not a religious person.

  95. muleskinner March 3, 2007 11:37 am

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  96. ostrich March 3, 2007 1:24 pm

    I cut and pasted the 2nd part of this article(first part was a rehash of this past week’s events). Something to think about is speed, speed of everything………enjoy its a quick read.

    by Fred Cederholm
    Economic Analysis Column
    Columnist, Baltimore Chronicle & Sentinel
    March 3, 2007
    What made the events of this past week so noteworthy was literally the complete absence of a “noteworthy triggering event.” There was no earth shaking terrorist event. There was no catastrophic occurrence of nature. There was no sudden change of a nation’s governing leadership. There were no energy production/ distribution cut backs. There were no new wars declared, or enacted. In fact, overall things (and market motivating factors) were pretty much as they have been for some time now – not any better, but certainly no worse. Still… there was more than some undercurrent of instinctual edginess, or an overriding “malaise of paranoia,” on the part of investors – both individual and institutional – at work here. It wasn’t even the sound of a “pop” that sent investors to the bunkers, it was the perception of one.

    Anyone familiar with my weekly columns - either in print or on-line - knows how I’ve been harping about the escalation/ development of a global economy and a global society; and particularly about our own dependencies on this developing “unitary planet” system. Whether we as a nation-state like it or not, US/us can no longer function very nicely, thank you, as some island blessed by the warm fuzzies of splendid isolation. The US economy (hence, our very way of life) depends on a constant influx of foreign energy, of foreign capital investment, of foreign credit, and of foreign goods, materials, and services. There is no hope that that sorry situation of vulnerabilities which change any time soon.

    The technological revolutions of computer hardware (and software) and the information highway capabilities of the internet have connected the world. News is instantaneous. There are efficiencies for thousands of transactions to occur AND BE PROCESSED in a second – even in a thousandth of a second. Never before in the history of our planet can so much transpire so fast and be known worldwide so quickly. Enter, click, send… has become a mantra of society. This really scares me and with good reason.

    Click (action), click (reaction), click (response) happens so fast that there little (if any) time to TH*NK and let true reason and wisdom prevail. As we have just seen, enter, click, send… can literally set in motion a financial panic. Or worse… enter, click, send… can launch a military attack. Enter, click send can even initiate a totally new war. We have become so fast – make that efficient in our enter, click, send world– that the so-called checks and stop gaps of our “programmed” system protections may not work/ function as we expect, want, or need them to perform. Unfortunately, so often we don’t know that is the case until after an “event” - when it is too late to undo (or stop) what has been set in motion.

    The systemic glitches of a technologically connected world, our planetary interdependencies, and an underlying overriding contemporary uneasiness of fear; all contributed to the declines of past week. The unreal (or at least unsubstantiated) perceptions behind the drop of the markets in Shanghai, China triggered a financial tsunami rippling around the Earth. What would be the case if a truly identifiable catastrophic event were to occur? We can only hope and pray that we won’t find out. I’m Fred Cederholm and I’ve been thinking. You should be thinking, too.

  97. Rich March 3, 2007 2:03 pm

    Very classy Breck, hehe!

    ostrich, I think the click comes from Goldman Sax and their “man in Manchuria.”

    Check out the bio from wikipedia of the CEO of GSax, Lloyd Blankfein, fascinating huh!!? This guy is a former gold bullion dealer, and head of Rockefeller in Asia!!

    +++++++++++++++++++++=

    Lloyd Craig Blankfein (born 1954 in Brooklyn, New York City) is the current Chief Executive Officer (CEO) and Chairman of Goldman Sachs. After the May 31, 2006 nomination of Chief Executive Officer Hank Paulson as Secretary of the Treasury, Blankfein was announced as the new CEO and Chairman to succeed Paulson.

    Blankfein has a blue-collar background. He was raised in the Linden Houses, part of the New York City Housing Authority. He received his primary and secondary education in the public schools of the New York City Department of Education, and was valedictorian of Thomas Jefferson High School in 1971.

    Blankfein worked as a corporate tax lawyer for the firm of Donovan, Leisure, Newton & Irvine. In 1981 he joined Goldman’s commodities trading arm, J. Aron, as a gold bar and coin salesman. He attended Harvard College, earning his A.B. in 1975, and in 1978 received a J.D. from Harvard Law School.

    He is the current Gala Chairman of the Rockefeller family’s Asia Society in New York.

    Lloyd Blankfein earned a total of $53.4 Million in 2006, making him the highest paid executive on Wall Street. His bonus reflected the performance of Goldman Sachs, which reported record net earnings of $9.5 billion. Blankfein’s compensation included a cash bonus of $27.3 million, with the rest paid in stock and options.

  98. ostrich March 3, 2007 10:52 pm

    Rich = now that i have found th3e home row. Blankfein et al are all the same characters over and over again.
    They only employ those that are connected or recruited. Remember Dicken’s tale young PIP. I have some good stories when we meet in Sept. If that doesn’t happen then you, kia and I will meet in Washington or BC .
    regards

  99. jonny20 March 4, 2007 5:37 am

    jonny4

  100. godraz March 4, 2007 11:17 am

    Rule #1: Nature bats last. I.e., the earth does not belong to man; man belongs to this earth.

    The PTB, whether of the monetary elite, the CFR, Wall St., or the political bureaucrats of the west (US) or east (China) and their social and economic engineering don’t believe in nor understand rule #1.

    They are wrong, and sooner than later will be proven dead wrong. They may appear to be in “control,” but this is the biggest and most arrogant lie, soon to be busted between the rock and the hard place of rule #1.

    The reality of rule #1 will expand as rapidly deteriorating trends (over population, climate changes, systemic biological & ecological ruptures & collapses, etc.) undermines both our bodily needs. The present economic and political systems which the PTB control will breakdown. Along with it will go all the overwrought infrastructure, from super sized grocery stores and medical care, we are dependent upon.

    Harry Schultz tells it like it is in that we are all soon (by 2012-13 IMHO) to relearn the essential truth of Rule #1, and the name of that game is something our human ancestors knew well: Survival.

    For most of us this return to earthly normalcy will not go down well or easily. Holding some gold & silver may help, then again it may lead to one’s demise if that is all one has to survive by. Better still is to find and own outright a good place to live and dig in. Literally.

    Not just preparing to but actually practicing and knowing how to grow food and rear animals will be a survival key. Access to a fresh water source (preferably untainted)will also prove key. First hand knowledge of an array of practical skills, such as carpentry, cooking, canning, gardening, animal husbandry, butchery, and wood lot management for heating and cooking will all serve one well.

    These are the essentials as I see them, and what I know and have been making preparations to know in order to try and survive when the call comes. I know it is coming and I think most of you know it is coming too.

    I would only add that while there is still time to do so, one consider to buy, install, and become knowledgeable in the use of solar additions (e.g., solar hot water, photo-voltaic electric, & wind power) to one’s rural homestead.

    And last but not least, know how to compost your own humanure. When the shit hits the fan among the first things to ruin your life will be a water flush toilet that won’t flush anymore. And that day is coming soon.

    Nobody’s in control folks. The NWO and global economy is pure arrogance destined for utter failure. Make your best preparations now while you can. That’s all you can hope to control.

  101. muleskinner March 4, 2007 4:47 pm

    #100

    God Almighty, godraz, say it ain’t so.

  102. it man March 5, 2007 4:39 am

    Knowledge is power.
    Shout from the rooftop those things said in secret.
    That’s my motto.

    here are some websites that I like a lot:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca
    http://www.rinf.com
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
    http://www.infowars.com
    http://www.infowars.net
    http://www.911blogger.com
    http://www.rense.com (he has lots of links about UFOs unfortunately. But many of the other links have excellent news you won’t hear in

    the MSM).

    Read Eustace Mullin’s book “Secrets of the federal reserve”. Listen to the Money Masters at video.google.com. LIsten to America Freedom to

    Fascism also at video.google.com. And there are many other articles on the FR out on the web.

    Amazing urls:
    http://blogs.albawaba.com/Alexanderjames/2067/2006/05/18/44692-rothschilds_warren_buffet_bill_gates_george_soros_and_the_upcoming_iranian_euro

    _oil_bourse_abandon_the_us_dollar
    http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=961

    Is this part of the secret to Buffetts wealth. I never knew he was part of the Rothschild syndicate. A picture of Buffett on the left,

    Schwarnegger in the middle and Jacob Rothschild on the right. A picture is worth a thousand words.

    I don’t like deceivers. If Buffett has all the insider knowledge from Rothschild then lets shout it from the rooftops. Who couldn’t make a 50 billion if he had a hotline to Rothschild (the man at the top with Rockefeller).

    I try to listen to Meria Heller at meria.net She is completely aware of the situation with 911, the federal reserve, the North American

    Union.

    I try to listen to Webster Tarpley on radio whenever I can. He use to be on rbnlive but they had some problems with the management there and

    now I don’t know where he gives his weekly radio show. He is listed on gcnlive.com but so far I have not found a link to listen to his show.
    http://www.tarpley.net is his home page.

    He wrote the book “Synthetic Terror”. This is a very good book about false flag terror. Governments secretly attacking themselves so they can get public opinion on there side to attack other countries. 911 was a false flag attach and then the US justified attacking Iraq and Afghanistan. And we are all afraid of another false flag attack (a gulf of tonkin) or terror attack in the US brought about by the US government and blamed on Iran.

    Here is Zbigniew Brzezinski’s take on this. He says the same thing:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=GRE20070227&articleId=4953

    There is a Amazon reviewer I follow. He is the number one reviewer of Non-fiction on Amazon. It appears he reads about 1 to 2 books per week

    and comments on them. He is clear about 911 and Dick Cheney. He used to work for the cia. His website is oss.net. His name is Robert Steele.

    Here is his link:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1S8AJIUIO6M9K/ref=cm_cr_auth/102-6611265-5438521?ie=UTF8&sort%5Fby=MostRecentReview

    I also listen to ALex Jones at http://www.infowars.com.
    His daily radio show is at:
    http://www.nfowars.net:443/stream1.pls
    Just this week breaking news on OKC bombings, former FBI director wants another investigation. Nichols signs affidavit that McVeigh had an FBI handler.
    Just this week BBC footage shows that the BBC reported the “collapse” of building 7 before it happened, within 20 minutes of it happening. How could they know this before it happened. No steel building has ever collapsed because of fire. This is just the tip of the iceberg. I want to tell you more but if you are curious you can go to the website 911blogger or infowars or youtube.

    Here is Jack Blood’s site. He is a real nationalist, a patriot who knows what we know.
    http://jackblood.netfirms.com/home/

    I listen to Lionel once in a while when he talks about 911:
    http://www.lionelonline.com/

    What we need is about 5,000,000 Ron Paul. People who know as much as he does and is as outspoken as he.

    Know one of the reasons why JFK was killed.
    http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=5261
    The US is run by the banksters.

    As for me, I try to keep up with the above news as much as possible and I try to inform those I am around. We have no possibility of success unless people become informed. No one can galvanize if the real perps remain hidden behind the scenes.

  103. Dr Jane Karlsson March 5, 2007 6:09 am

    muleskinner, you kill me

  104. Dr Jane Karlsson March 5, 2007 6:14 am

    godraz, well said. May I add another skill, which might make one or two of the others redundant: learn how to be a vegetarian, or a near-vegetarian. Eat bread, not meat. Absolutely everybody and everything benefits. Use meat to flavour your food only.

  105. Rich March 5, 2007 7:00 am

    Folks, great article here on Peak Oil and the future of the world,

    http://www.321energy.com/editorials/taylor/taylor030507.html

    The article references this report from a UK investor:

    http://www.100dollaroil.com/

    Great analysis, a real heads up based on Big Oil’s own data from annual reports and public sources.

    Cheers Rich

  106. Rich March 5, 2007 7:04 am

    Here’s the report for free:

    http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/portal/images/stories/papers/oilcrisis.pdf

    It’s from 2005 but very relevant today, and tomorrow.

    R

  107. Go rent the first movie “Rollerball”…….. We’re close, indeed, very close…………………………………

    We need a ‘Johnathan E’……….Hillary, Obabma, Edwards, Guiliguili and McCain ain’t him for sure……………..
    (I can hang with Kucinich’s new wife though..;))

    teaching junior how to roller skate with attitude.

  108. ostrich March 5, 2007 4:40 pm

    #107 - bud - I’ve suggested that a number of times over the past couple months, glad to see someone agrees with me. I haven’t seen the movie in 25-30 yrs maybe time I rented it also.

  109. the stranger March 5, 2007 5:21 pm

    Rich, thanks for the Oil Crisis pdf – I’ll check it out this week-end

  110. the stranger March 5, 2007 8:00 pm

    Good links Rich.
    How could the price of oil rise?
    - if demand increases.
    - if production drops.
    - if supply is interrupted.
    - if inflation continues.
    - any combo, any reason.

  111. godraz March 5, 2007 9:51 pm

    re: Rich’s post #105 and the 321energy.com article link.

    Apart from the article’s Peak Oil ramifications, what I think worth highlighting from the article is the China dilemma as taken from a Statfor 2007 Annual Forecast. Although it primarily addresses China’s economic problems, it also reveals a peak at the big picture facing China and, by proxy, what we too face.

    “Incidents of resistance to land seizures have increased, bringing with them violence and arrests. The Party has reasserted itself as the master of the state, and the Chinese security services have increased their intrusiveness and vigilance. In China, putting off the reckoning as long as possible and controlling the social and political consequences as efficiently as possible are the orders of the day. Beijing is trying to regain control of the economy—but it is more likely to do so through political power than through economic processes…

    “We are consistently asked when this economic crisis will strike China. But that is the wrong question. It is not a matter of when financial troubles will strike; they already have. It is a matter of how they manifest, how the Chinese deal with them and whether the Chinese are capable of controlling the situation.

    “If China already is in the grips of an economic crisis, why is no one noticing? In part, it is because the problems are manifesting primarily in social and political reactions, not in raw economic numbers…

    “China’s economic growth has been anything but even, and the regional wealth gaps, as well as the urban-rural split, are rising significantly. These are now the focus of government officials on all levels—and a frequent topic of discussion in the Chinese state media. An abundance of individuals, state think tanks, research institutes and government surveys are highlighting the problem, but there is a dearth of concrete solutions.

    While the predicament in China is really bad, particularly with respect to their over-population and unbridled economic growth, both of which are seriously undermining their land, air & water base and thus their human sustainability, what is most telling, and precisely applicable to our dire straights is the last quoted sentence.

    Lacking any decent answers to our problems the powers that be resort to exerting more arrogant power.

    And here I will repeat myself: Nobody’s in control folks. The NWO and global economy is pure arrogance destined for utter failure. Make your best preparations now while you can. That’s all you can hope to control.

    What a fine mess we are in.

  112. Dr Jane Karlsson March 6, 2007 7:58 am

    it man 102, that article about Kennedy being killed partly for trying to return to the US government the power to issue currency. ‘This meant that for every ounce of silver in the US Treasury’s vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation.’

    How can this work? It means that every time you or I deposit money in the bank and earn interest on it, the government has to buy more silver so the new money (the interest) is backed by silver like the old money was. Is this why the system failed?

  113. Sapiens March 6, 2007 10:10 pm

    BP,

    I have no animosity towards you. I agree that it is wise and prudent to bide your time on when to act and use discretion. If you feel that biding your time is what works best for you, so be it.

    As for me, where do I stand?

    Well, begin here:

    http://www.freedom-force.org/

  114. round will chair unconditionally March 7, 2007 4:06 am

    You have a very talented and skilled writting. I had a great time reading your comments. right table will loose soldier without any questions

  115. bp March 7, 2007 6:55 am

    Thanks Sapiens, I appreciate the link - I’ll check it out.

  116. Rich March 7, 2007 7:42 am

    Does anyone know of a model that graphically can depict the relationships and movements of the global economy to predict basic outcomes? Even in a simple metaphorical way? Kind of like SimEarth, a brilliant PC game back in the early 90’s, where you could build earth from the pre Cambrian age with amoebic life forms all the way up an overpopulated place that ended when humanity exited the planet on spacecraft heading for space colonies. It was a great game based on a model, if the same engine plugged in 20 or 40 critical variables of the global economy and was tested for accuracy you could conceivably have a model of the economy that would enable us laypeople to watch what was going on. You know Bernanke and the Span man have this stuff, but is there any kind of public version?

    Cheers Rich

  117. ostrich March 7, 2007 9:12 am

    Rich - that would be cool then I would only have to take cyber losses. haha

  118. Rich March 7, 2007 9:20 am

    Hey O, I took plenty of cyber losses in the dot bomb implosion - that wasnt’ fun explaining to the missus. Mind you I shouldn’t have been trading on margin!

    Hehe!

    Cheers Rich

  119. bp March 7, 2007 12:54 pm

    Rich, that model would have to factor in money from drugs, slavery, prostitution, and black operations, heh

  120. ostrich March 7, 2007 1:24 pm

    bp - you forgot the all important market driver, nope not supply and demand “PPT”. haha

  121. ostrich March 7, 2007 1:26 pm

    bp - I forgot the other important market driver the “Greenspan Put”. haha

  122. the stranger March 7, 2007 5:28 pm

    …if that private model exists, it’s still probably running on a Cray somewhere. I want a program for an earth model, from the inside out.

  123. Sapiens March 7, 2007 8:01 pm

    Rich,

    I and others are working on some models, Monergy is something you will soon be hearing a lot about. See this paper for some very eye opeining and enlighting work: It is a pdf.

    http://www.thetransitioner.org/wiki/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=3&PHPSESSID=dd2629dbaa1545a517778c97f6a7d4d9

    Cheers,

    -Sapiens

    P.S. Yes, illicit activity is tracked, and as a matter of fact very easy to model since they operate on cash, i.e. printed currency.

  124. ostrich March 7, 2007 9:05 pm

    sapiens - I think I’ve read this in the past month or so.
    amazing stuff; if you can actually apply the same rules to science and money; PPT get it then look out below - buy any metal!

  125. the stranger March 7, 2007 10:16 pm

    wow, there’s some weekend reading…

  126. wardoctor March 8, 2007 9:24 am

    Yes– a police state is here, and we will likely see it’s teeth in progressively clearer view in the near future. BTW, COPS are the key; state, city, federal, whatever. Focus your strategic energy on COPS; they are here to protect (the elite) and serve (the elite), and they are here to CONTROL YOU!, and to make sure you don’t seriously compete with or in any way threaten the elite. If you think they’re here to protect you, you are truly a sheeple. Think hard about this every time you see one drive or walk by. Try to remember what you’re really dealing with.

  127. So what’s the fix?????

    Elected officials are bought and paid for…so…..

    Let’s elect the House of Reps. by lottery. If you’re 18 years old or older, high school diploma and no felony AND you want to serve, put your name in the hat.

    Same numbers of reps. that we currently have are selected from the hat from each state. Group is trained for a year and serves for two and that’s it. Still open elect senators and president - hope is that true leaders emerge from the House without being already bought.

    If you like this, PASS IT ON !!!!!

    (not bad from a guy who’s his own cousin :))

  128. muleskinner March 8, 2007 2:53 pm

    Lol, back in 1980 there was a publication entitled the Duckbook in which the editor and publisher was writing about the very same issues concerning a breakdown of society, the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, Police State tactics, buy gold, buy silver, find an old farmstead in the hinterlands to survive and you won’t be caught in the whirl with all of the whirling dervishes out thar.

    The police busted heads in Chicago in 1968. The goons for Ford Motor company busted heads to break union organizers.

    It’s been a Police State since New Orleans was occupied by Union forces during the end of the Civil War.

    The South won. Lincoln was assassinated on April 15, 1865.

    Abraham Lincoln signed the first income tax on individuals into law in 1862. He also imprisoned US Congressman who opposed the war. He had newspaper editors arrested and placed in prison.

    The Police State has been around for some time. All to maintain power in Warshington, District of Criminals and to keep you in the dark, like mushrooms. You are also being fed what mushrooms are fed: Horseshit.

    Not from me though. You are being watched by Google. I can’t believe the key words that are used by Google to define your search. You end up with a million hits and very few have anything to do with the actual search you requested. The real ‘key word’ is ignored. You are being watched now. Obey, shake those chains.

  129. ostrich March 8, 2007 5:44 pm

    sapiens - in the late 50’s early 60’s my brother was in the US marines and every once in a while they would get paid in $2.oo two bills so the gov’t(or fed) could see how money would flow through foreign markets. So much for the saying as phony as a two dollar bill. We would see the rare US $2 show up in Cdn banks once in a while.

  130. Rich March 8, 2007 7:08 pm

    Yeah Sapiens, way too much math there for me, if it goes much beyond 8th grade I need a picture, a metaphor!

    As for the police state, the 2nd US President was the first to create one, it didn’t take long from the beginning of the great American experiment. John Adams imprisoned hostile journalists, banished certain publications and used martial law as a means to maintain his presidency in the face of growing political opposition (fomented by Jefferson, his former best friend, and the 3rd US President!

    About being watched: Echelon has been watching all traffic between Britain and the US since the 60’s or 70’s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    The British people weren’t told they were being snooped on, nor were Americans, and it went on for decades before anyone said anything. But hey it kept us safe from those commie bastiges.

    Banks have you by the wossits if you want to talk data. Are as Citi most certainly the pointy end of the NWO, and coincidentally one of the biggest high street banks, then you know that your entire life and all of your transactions are wrapped up in big banking house databases and being analyzed as we speak, it’s for sure. Just think of what an analyst can understand about your personal life by just having access to your banking information.

    Scientia Est Potentia

    Cheers Rich

  131. Administrator March 8, 2007 9:28 pm

    Gotta button it up here, folks. Echelon is listening…

    Let’s continue here:

    http://www.bullnotbull.com/blog/?p=108

    :) Michael

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