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Posted on May 26, 2006
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Governments and corporations regularly exploit technology to mass-produce counterfeit perspectives.  Religions just aggravate the mix and so the social construction of reality is a good deal smoke and mirrors.  Bullshit emissions reach toxic levels and we march around, stoned on spin. The delusion calms our hazy minds, but it also maintains the haze. Are we stuck in the looking glass?

Back in the 1940’s, on the Isle of Jura, George Orwell wrote a futuristic novel depicting a sterile totalitarian society. Transposing the year “48” he named his famous opus 1984. It’s a perfect starter guide to the American Matrix; …2084? …2008? The concepts he formed are quintessential bull-shields; and several are ubiquitous. People who’ve never read the book use terms such as Big Brother.

Ignorance is Strength; for the state that is. And American society has become the living embodiment of that slogan. Television isn’t mass media; it’s a social control device - the more you watch the less you know. Media consolidation disseminates ignorance and the only discernable mass response is a blank stare.

The slogan War is Peace could be the neocon mantra (though neocons are neither new, nor conservative – as dumbocrats reach for the baton). But the concept of war abroad, creating peace at home, comes at what cost? Our military has done a lot of good in a lot of places; take the Tsunami relief effort as a recent example. But it’s equally fair to label the Iraq War a war of aggression; America was (we’ve been taught) attacked by Saudi Arabian extremists using weapons of mass transit.

What about the Doctrine of Preemption? In pracice, it’s the single most dangerous concept of the Twenty First Century. The phrase is genuine bullshit; a corporate-speak euphemism for a nauseating premise, attack first - spin later. Our “don’t tread on me” philosophy has been summarily replaced with a “kill it before it grows” misanthropy. Hell, the Doctrine of Preemption is just about as un-American as you can get.

It seems Orwell’s painful forecast of Newspeak and Doublethink has merged with modern advertising – with insidious results. When you hear the word “terrorist” applied to any type of soldier; you’re being treated to newspeak. It’s newspeak when the term “insurgent” is used to label a popular resistance; or used with no consideration of legitimate authority. The complete disappearance of “jury nullification” is an early American example of newspeak. Democracy without Republic, more erosion, more newspeak. Freedom Fries? The full spectrum dominance in these corporation nation-states would hardly be possible without some form of newspeak.

And how many examples of Doublethink can you grasp? Nuke em’ vs. thou shall not kill? …too easy. How about fighting for freedom while surrendering your rights? Support the Troops, but send em’ ill-equipped to battle? Support the Troops, but take away their freedoms? If you manage to stay alive till your time is served, we’ll give you more time to serve. No pictures of Soldiers’ coffins coming home, after the ultimate sacrifice, and no list of names on TV? To tolerate that is to employ doublethink.

Winston Smith, the main character in the novel, worked in the Records Department at the Ministry of Truth. His job was to “rectify” the past with the present, altering records as needed; continuously. Call John Williams at Shadow Government Statistics or GATA’s Bill Murphy! We now have thousands of Winston clones - with no end in site. If you can picture Agent Smith from “The Matrix” you begin to grasp the scope.

More and more we see absolute power supersede rule of law, as media consolidation promotes ignorance and malignant uniformity. War on Terror is Duckspeak. War is Terror. We have a War on Reason. It’s time to question business as usual, because two plus two does not make five; no bull…

the stranger

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  1. Marc Authier May 27, 2006 12:56 pm

    Bull is American. The USA is based on bull and nothing else. Regrettably the rest of the world has not the leisure of that much bull. It proves also that the rest of the world is made up by real stupid people to beleive in the bull manufactured in garbage land Hollywood, fabricators par excellence of US bullshit.

  2. Ron May 27, 2006 1:19 pm

    This is not new. All of history is dotted with “bull speak” by governments of all stripes. Our founding fathers tried to insure that this new (at the time) country does not get led astray by the bull speakers. Alas, time passes and the bull flies.

    There is NOTHING that you hear or read, put out by our government, or it’s representatives of either party, that can be taken as truth without deep investigation into the facts. Even then, where do you go to get the real facts, not those that the bull spreaders want you to see to build your comfort level upon?

    Perhaps one must have the faith of the young, rather than the cynicism of the elders to blindly believe that our government speaks the truth, nothing but the truth, so help me . . . (fill in your own basis of belief).

    The advantage of the elders, however, is that many of us will not be around to see where all this is leading. Orwell was prescient - a seer of what is to come, way before most of us became aware that there is only one political power, although disguised as different parties from time to time, that is inevitably guiding us down the Orwellian path.

    I, for one, cannot go back. I am too old and too much of a cynic to think there will be a good end for us without major upheaval and change, which most will resist. The slow syphoning of our liberties in the name of security will continue until there are no more liberties left save those given to us by whomever shall ascend to the final summit of leadership.

    Hey, do you think maybe I should write a book about this, or do you think it was all more of the same bullspeak???

  3. Chuck May 27, 2006 1:47 pm

    More people were killed on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor. I don’t buy notion of pre-emptive attack. We were within rights to repond and go hit the ‘bad guy’ nation that either did the attack, or sponsored it. Back then I seem to remember many people were in favor of hitting Iraq, even JOhn Kerry, and other dems. Maybe the mistake we made was not also hitting the entire Mideast, especially Iran and Saudi. Guess we coudn’t project that much back then and still maybe can’t.

  4. Marc Authier May 27, 2006 2:24 pm

    Well you want to know at what ressembles an orwellian media? Just tune in to that piece of junk called FOX TV. Rupert Murdoch fits the bill to perfection. Let loose, these people will eventually bring fascism in America. By the way this autralian bastard is also a real good buddy with the chineese generals in China and U.K. sociopath Tony Blair. 1984 Orwell’s is NOW.

  5. Paul Sanchez May 27, 2006 3:18 pm

    Truly; What is scary is this Administration has taken more power than Even Orwell, could have imagined. wire taps, arrest& held with out council for months. Illegal searches, Raiding Congressional offices. character assassination, holding bills open in the congress for as long as it takes to get legislation through, I actually felt sorry for the White House press Secretary when the Vice President & Carl Rove Lied to him. Who can you trust?

  6. Dan C. May 27, 2006 3:49 pm

    God help us all!!

  7. dan de soto May 27, 2006 5:12 pm

    Don’t all of you find Congress’ uproar at having records seized by the use of a lawful search warrant amusing? Gee, the rest of us have been subject to worse treatment since 9/11. A least they used a search warrant for the congressman. Guess it depends on whose ox is gored.

  8. the stranger May 27, 2006 5:58 pm

    Yeah, it’s ironic for sure. I’m curious how this plays out. My greatest mistrust right now is the executive branch, but there’s no love lost on congress. The three branches are due for a war between each other, if the other two want to try to hang on to their respective powers. I fear we’ve past that.

    When Aaron Russo’s “From Fascism to Freedom” comes out, I want to buy bunch of copies and spread em’ around; hey – maybe Ben could drop a few before he crashes…

  9. the stranger May 27, 2006 6:01 pm

    “From Fascism to Freedom” - that’s great. Freudian slip there, or just wishful thinking.

  10. Pinatubo May 27, 2006 6:54 pm

    Mass murder is as American as apple pie. Do not deceive yourselves into thinking policy has derailed into a path never seen before. America annihilated 10 million Japanese, many civilians, as we made the world into our image during and after WWII. A similar number of Germans were killed, many of which were civilians. The American Indian wars were one long catalog of genocide. Even in the Philippines, we slaughtered 15% of the population after we betrayed Aguinaldo in his quest for democracy.

    Iraq may not have posed a serious threat to the United States, but they were a promoter of terrorism in the Middle East and paid the families of suicide bombers who detonated themselves in Israel…sometimes killing Americans. Iran is a more serious threat, but Iraq represents a convenient platform for the intimdation and/or invasion of a dangerous terrorist state who openly promotes violence and mayhem in West. When you fight a war, people must be prepared for death…even the death of innocents. That is axiomatic.

    Yes, there is “newspeak” and “doublethink” out there and that has always been true. But America has become a non-functional democracy where most people don’t bother to vote. Do not blame Bush or Rove or people of their ilk; Blame the average American who votes with tribal loyalty to some inane political party or doesn’t vote at all. Blame a corporate media that spews out propaganda and blame the people who actually listen. And most of all, blame yourselves, for not meeting your responsibility as a citizen, voter, activist and evaluator of information.

    A lot of our problems could be solved by having the population actually vote themselves on legislation instead of relying on representatives who are bought and owned by special interests. When people vote for a senator or congressman, they give away their power. The United States is completely wired up…direct voting is possible. We can no longer afford the luxury of Senators and Congressman representing corporate and special interests at the expense of the average American. Our government can no longer solve any problem. Radical change in our democracy is a solution.

    Pinatubo

  11. Marc Authier May 27, 2006 9:11 pm

    Direct voting is an ideal way of government. But there is a big big big problem. The system works particularly well in a small country. Yous should first start rather by simplifying the voting system which is an incredible mess. Then at least motivate the electors to vote! Direct voting is good but you need a educated population. Last week more people voted at “American Idol” 63 million!, than at the last presidential election! It’s disgusting and it shows clearly your political system really sick. And look at results! The Eagle will eventually be replaced by a banana.

  12. m_astera May 28, 2006 12:20 am

    Direct voting will not work as long as people get their information and programming from the corporate mass media. Even if that weren’t the case, the majority will always vote for what they have been convinced are their own best interests and screw everyone else. 51% will vote that the other 49% must give them their money or practice their religion.

    Aaron Russo is Jewish, and the distribution company for his film (Cinema Libre)is run by an American born in Israel. On the board of directors of that distribution company is the war criminal Rabbi Dov Zackheim, the former pentagon comptroller under whose auspices several trillion dollars were unaccounted for. The movie is just more disinfo and propaganda, folks. One has to wonder what the hidden purpose behind the film really is. Possibly to incite civil war and give them the excuse to declare martial law and activate those concentration camps Halliburton is fixing up right now?

  13. the stranger May 28, 2006 6:27 am

    Aaron Russo’s movie may be just disinfo and propaganda. I don’t know because I haven’t seen it; yet. I like Russo’s past work. As for the distribution company, I’ve seem “Outfoxed” and it did an accurate job slamming Fox News.

    I’m concerned about the ever growing police state as well, but I don’t think learning about the causes is the problem. As for the warning “Aaron Russo is Jewish” - so what? I’m less concerned with his ancestry than the thoughts that are in his head. m_astera, have you seen the movie?

  14. bp May 28, 2006 6:35 am

    Nice post Stranger, I’ve been following the site but haven’t made an entry for awhile. My guess is that reality is starting to hit these “create our own reality” idiots up side the head, but it will take awhile for the situation to sink into the mind of the general population - I still have faith in the “human spirit”, though, like you I figure we will have tough times ahead - looks like a painful rebirth when people are unwilling to let go of their illusions about a reality that is changing, especially in ways they can’t control, i.e., weather, water resources, oil resources, food resources, etc.

    I suppose we as a culture have had it too easy for awhile and have gotten soft and lazy, but still if you read sites such as the journal entries for people hiking the AT you can see that beyond politics, mass media, and all the other disinformation sources there are people that have some solid common sense. My sense is, and it is just my perspective, is that somehow a fairly large segment of our society have lost their touch with the earth, in a very basic sense. They seem to believe words more than the conclusions of their own reasoning ability - you may claim that it is a result of the educational system, but I think it goes deeper. Some of our beliefs in this world are based on world views that no longer work - I’d say that there is a breakdown in consensus reality going on, and it will only get worse. And as that happens it seems people resort to power to hold their view of the world together - definitely can get ugly - we can all end up in labor camps as “disruptive” citizens (just by voicing our opinions). So maybe one needs not only to tell the Bull from the Truth, but also when to hold one’s opinion back - to let some things pass - to know when to move and when to stop. It seems we are entering a period of Chaos the outcome of which even Orwell couldn’t forsee.

  15. Mike May 28, 2006 7:53 am

    I saw a screening of Russo’s movie when it was in Atlanta. If the final version is even close to that version, it will be a wake-up call for America. It may be our last/best hope to save our Republic.

    Anyone who believes the published story regarding 9/11 is truly a victim of newspeak. (The facts don’t matter, I’m a Democrat/Republican and my mind is made up.)

    Mike

    “When the government fears the people, you have liberty. When the people fear the government, you have tyranny.” -Thomas Jefferson

  16. the stranger May 28, 2006 8:13 am

    Yeah bp, a return of respect for Turtle Island alone would solve a host of problems.

    Chuck, you were talking about 911 and then shifted to Iraq – the way you put it, I think you connected the two (Saddam attacks NY). Hitting the whole Middle East is an interesting idea; except there are a lot of people living there, and it’s not ours to destroy. I didn’t buy the notion doctrine-of-preemption, but I’m getting the bill.

    Pinatubo, I agree with you on personal responsibility; but suppose we blame everybody, including Bush just to go out-on-a-limb. Then what about the next generation? They could be tagged and numbered before they’re born. Do we blame them or is does the system play a part?

    You stated, “When you fight a war, people must be prepared for death…even the death of innocents. That is axiomatic.” At first glance it sounds cool, even rational. But then the presupposition kicks in, and the only thing self evident is the sentence, all by itself. It’s as if we discussed the war, agreed it should be fought; and now – naive complainers. We’re back to the unconstitutionality of the emergency war powers act…

    America has a jaded history to be sure, no argument there. Then you pen “Iraq may not have posed a serious threat to the United States, but” but? Perhaps “we’re within rights to respond and go hit the ‘bad guy’ nation…?” as Chuck would say. I’m not sure who to plame for this misunderstanding. We are setting up permanent bases in Iraq because the arrangement in Saudi Arabia is crumbling, resource war preparations; the petrodollar hegemony just increased the urgency. I’m familiar with the reasons you give for the Iraq war; I saw them on TV.

    Using the word “always” or “never” increases the odds a statement is false. So I guess I should just skip this comment {Yes, there is “newspeak” and “doublethink” out there and that has always been true.} but I won’t. Not only is it wrong, it demonstrates you missed the point.

    Newspeak is a concept with many insidious subtleties; it’s not synonymous with lies or fiction. It contains within its definition the deliberately ambiguous and contradictory language used to subvert concepts and communication, with the deliberate intent to manipulate the public. It includes a long term human devolution with regards to individual liberty.

    We are all susceptible to this. You have to know you are influenced by advertising, first, to have any chance of protecting against it. Too miss this subtlety invites greater, more tragic errors. Three people so far here, have stated or implied –we were hit on 911… so we have a right (obligation?) to hit Iraq– One problem with this reasoning, Iraq didn’t attack US.

    Do you want to spend blood and treasure to promote democracy around the world? To promote your version of human rights? To promote society in your image? Do you think we have a right to do this? Many do and the goals are often admirable. That concept has been around for a long time. It used to be considered an extremely liberal perspective – good intentions, but dangerous and costly. Can you detect an historic re-labeling here?

  17. m_astera May 28, 2006 9:04 am

    In reply to The Stranger, no I haven’t seen the movie. It is the problematic involvement of Dov Zackheim that I was drawing attention to. If this movie, like Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 911, focuses on US wrongdoing and or the Arabs without mentioning Israel and the bankers of London, then it is disinfo. This sort of misdirection is exactly why we are in Iraq. We shall see.

  18. the stranger May 28, 2006 10:57 am

    m_astera, your concern over the Halliburton camps, a rising police stat, not to mention the content of your previous posts prove you’re nobody’s fool. Now I have to check out what you’ve found. But I’ve laughed out loud reading Michael Moore books, at the same time underling mistakes I found in his perspective. A movie like Fahrenheit 911 certainly tips the scales one direction, but the scales have been stuck on the other side so long, what is required for balance?

    Neither of us has seen the movie, and yet both of us have a bias; we will both have to compensate for that. Still, I think we’re on the same side. One thing for sure, this movie will be controversial. We should make it a Bull! Not bull topic, all it’s own. Start collecting links to your contentions; we should verify and/or discredit them. We can watch this movie – then tear it apart.

    Well, the sun is shining, I’m out of here. Catch you all later…

  19. m_astera May 28, 2006 11:29 am

    Here’s a link to a pretty detailed discussion of the questions about Russo’s new film on libertyforum.org: http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=
    news_press&Number=294651952#Post294651952

  20. m_astera May 28, 2006 11:31 am

    apologies for the broken up link. I guess you’ll have to copy and paste it.

  21. barter this May 28, 2006 1:55 pm

    The only reason to go to war in history is to take what another has, such as land, resources, or to protect what you have. To go and help your allies in their quest is another reason…

    History shows that no one takes power and keeps it for very long.
    The Spanish and Portuguese, the Pilgrams,Dutch, French and this list goes on, all came to this country to take what they wanted.
    Once they all arrived they ALL knew that this land was occupide by another. That did not stop them, they took what they wanted. In taking what you want you have to know that the odds are that eventually, maybe not in your life time, maybe in your great-great-great grand-childrens time…a price will be asked for that taking.

    We are about to pay our dues…Two Hundred or so years has been a good long run, with fifty or so years on top, who could ask for more?

    Is my glass half empty?

    My prayer is that..those who can will and those who can’t pray.
    …………………………………………………..

    In standing up to those who would take what is not theirs to take, we all become those FIRST PEOPLE who stood up to those outsiders trying to take what was not theirs to take. I hope we as a people are more lucky than the others were.
    Barter This

  22. Westerner May 28, 2006 5:47 pm

    Iv’e just visited Phoenix, a sprawling fantasy world full of degenerate looking people sporting a disproportionate number of flag decals and multiple fabric flags from thier vehicles such as I haven’t seen since the media induced aggression frenzy of 2003.
    America seems to have lost touch with reality. Seemingly inteligent people repeat the most inane propaganda that they can’t begin to defend and obviously haven’t given any critical thought to.
    A solution?

  23. Westerner May 28, 2006 5:54 pm

    Chuck, If you hit the entire middle east I suppose you might get some of those who are responsible for 9/11.
    Read this link and let us know what you think.
    http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/unanswered_questions_911.html#israel

  24. Rich May 28, 2006 9:12 pm

    I guess one man’s bull is another’s purple cow!

    Someone earlier mentioned consensus reality, which I take to mean the glue that keeps most of us believing in the same present, and therefore being able to “see” a similar future.

    Somewhere between Clinton and Bush the consensus reality slipped out of reach of America. We are now so polarized we can’t see straight. We are perfectly divided, and therefore perfectly conquered. If, as a group of citizens, we can’t define the problem, then we MUST turn to the government (and others) to solve it for us - - pretty straightforward really. Orwell saw this coming because he probably spent enough time with elites to realize the depths of their depravity, contempt for humanity and absolute hunger for total control — and maybe he could see back in the 40’s that technology would evolve very quickly to enable a police state in the very forseeable future.

    The Wachowski brothers are modern day Orwell’s - The Matrix and V for Vendetta do a good job of depicting the illusion that we currently live in (The Matrix) and the future we are about to encounter (police state in Britain and chaos potentially here in the US) - - -lets hope they are wrong, but if you were to perform some scenario analysis on our current state I would suggest that V may be quite prophetic.

    I don’t know who is to blame for all of this, I just lament the loss of so much. We seem to be losing our culture, our sense of direction, our belief in almost anything, we’re even losing our environment, our sense of justice, we’ve lost our consensus reality, etc. I want to blame the establishment, I suspect they are quite culpable, but proof is almost impossible to come up with - - and then of course there is plausible deniability.

    Cheers Rich

  25. m_astera May 29, 2006 9:40 am

    Who to blame? Well if one is looking for people to blame. blame the Rothschilds and their cadre of international bankers who have financed both sides of every major war since the 1770s. It’s really as simple (and as complex) as that.

    The written plan first surfaced in 1780 when Weishaupt’s courier was struck by lightning and the Bavarian government got ahold of the plans he was carrying to Robespierre. Despite the warning sent out by the Bavarians, the French revolution still went forward in 1789.

    There have been a few setbacks to the timetable, but the plan has gone forward until today, and “they” think that they are very close to completing it.

    If one is truly not familiar with this, I would suggest doing a search for “Myron C. Fagan” and read the transcript of his talk. It’s a little dated in terminology, being from the 1960s, but it lays out the history quite well.

  26. the stranger May 29, 2006 11:11 am

    Barter, here’s an old saying I just made up. Wishful thinking is often mistaken for positive thinking; it’s a deceptive form of negative thinking. Personally, I think you’re dead-on as usual and your glass is completely full (mines half beer, half lunatic).

    To me, there’s a big difference between sincere patriotism and blind nationalism. I get an uneasy feeling when I’m surrounded by flags, of any stripe. I’m bracing myself for the inevitable chanting that is sure to follow. “Seemingly intelligent people repeat the most inane propaganda that they can’t begin to defend and obviously haven’t given any critical thought to.” Note to self: use the above statement in a conversation today.

    No kidding, consensus reality is so much broken glass. I didn’t know about the Wachowski brothers (haven’t seen V yet either) so I went and read some on Wikipedia. Interesting how they are pegged with plot stealing; seems they don’t try to hide it either, like the clichés deliberate. When watching #2 of the Matrix movies, (listening actually, to a long dialog) a scene in a room of mirrors, I remember thinking “essence of Orwell” I should re-watch them, less for entertainment.

    I think I followed one of your Rothschilds links a while back m_astera; I spent a couple hours reading, fascinating history-deep as I recall. I took a look for Myron C. Fagan and found a pdf called “Reds on the Run” from the 1940s – read half of it. If I infer your point as, America may have been structurally gutted out with some form of hybrid-communism, by plan (and consequently is going fall) I have no argument against it. But Mitchum’s still my favorite actor…

  27. cornhusker May 30, 2006 6:20 am

    Read this and share your thoughts:

    http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.HTML

  28. ronandreas May 30, 2006 7:36 am

    Cornhusker, I read your link and found it littered with falsehoods.
    #1 Casket pictures are actually supressed by the pentagon. This is why all returning casualties must arrive by cover of darkness and reporters are not allowed near funerals.
    #2 We don’t see much of what our forces do in Iraq because the U.S. military targets journalists (almost 100 shot by U.S. forces). Thier transmission signals have been used to coordinate targeting them.
    This story sounds like another Jessica Lynch tale (fabricated fantasy). Were you able to verify it in any manner? My guess is that ABC tried and found conflicting info.

  29. ronandreas May 30, 2006 8:52 am

    Try something from a real patriot, former Reagan Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts;

    Is the Bush Regime a state sponsor of terrorism?

    A powerful case can be made that it is.

    In the past three years the Bush Regime has murdered tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and an unknown number of Afghan ones.

    US Marines, our finest and proudest military force, are under criminal investigation for breaking into Iraqi homes and murdering entire families. In an unprecedented event, General Michael Hagee, the Marine Corps commandant, has found it necessary to fly to Iraq to tell our best-trained troops to stop murdering civilians.

    General Hagee found it necessary to tell the U.S. Marines: “We do not employ force just for the sake of employing force. We use lethal force only when justified, proportional, and most importantly, lawful.”

    The war criminals in the Bush Regime have dismissed the murders as “collateral damage,” but they are, in fact murders. Otherwise, there would be no criminal investigations, and the Marine commandant would not be burdened with the embarrassment of having to fly to Iraq to lecture U.S. Marines on the lawful use of force.

    The criminal Bush Regime has now murdered more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. The Bush Regime is also responsible for 20,000 US casualties (dead, maimed for life, and wounded).

    Bush damns the “axis of evil.” But who has the “axis of evil” attacked? Iran has attacked no one. North Korea has attacked no country for more than a half-century. Iraq attacked Kuwait a decade and a half ago, apparently after securing permission from the US ambassador.

    Isn’t the real axis of evil Bush-Blair-Olmert? Bush and Blair have attacked two countries, slaughtering their citizens. Olmert is urging them on to attack a third country – Iran.

    Where does the danger to the world reside? In Iran, a small religious country where the family is intact and the government is constrained by religious authority and ancient traditions, or in the US where propaganda rules and the powerful executive branch has removed itself from accountability by breaking the constitutional restraints on its power?

    Why is the US superpower orchestrating fear of puny Iran?

    The US government has spent the past half century interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, overthrowing or assassinating their chosen leaders and imposing its puppets on foreign peoples. To what country has Iran done this, or Iraq, or North Korea?

    Americans think that they are the salt of the earth. The hubris that comes from this self-righteous belief makes Americans blind to the evil of their leaders. How can American leaders be evil when Americans are so good and so wonderful?

    How many Serbs were slaughtered by American bombs released from high above the clouds, and for what reason? Who even remembers the propagandistic lies that the Clinton administration told us about why we absolutely had to drop bombs on the Serbs?

    Wasn’t it evil for the US to bomb Iraq for a decade and to embargo medicines for children? When US Secretary of State M. Albright was asked if she thought an embargo that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was justified, she replied, “yes.”

    The former terrible tyrant ruler of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, is on trial for killing 150 people. The US government murdered 500,000 Iraqi children prior to Bush’s invasion. When the US government murders people, whether Serbs, Branch Davidians at Waco, or Iraqi women and children, it is “collateral damage.” But we put Saddam Hussein on trial for putting down rebellions.

    Gentle reader, do you believe that the Bush Regime will not shoot you down in the streets if you have a rebellion?

  30. khill May 31, 2006 7:35 am

    Mass mind control is giving way to independant thought thanks to the world wide web.BUT,the powers that be will go down swinging.We can expect chaos durring this transition phase in human history.Those who survive will live to build a better world.I have zero hope that the next 10-20 years will be safe,stable and prosperous.The advertisers and propagandists are old school now and they know it.Bush is mistrusted even by his most loyal supporters.The world saw through Bush’s BS and never supported his war.Those that did support the war had their arms twisted or were paid off.The world is waking up.The U.S. dollar is dying.The confidence game is over.Gold’s super bull cycle indicates money is moving towards true value.We are still early in these trends.All institutions are being questioned.Consider the Divinci Code and the challenge of Chritianity’s claims.Everything we have been told to believe will be investigated.The so called new world order is a farse imo.Chaos is king now.Control is an illusion of the unprepared mind.The future belongs to the flexible,the rodeo riders are our model.Orwell is dead.The dam of information flow is breaking and the flood has just begun.Billions of minds are waking up starving for truth.The world wide web will feed them and they will be energized and angry.The Chinese government knows this,religous leaders fear this and corporate capitalists have no idea what to do.Volatilty is back in the markets as money scrambles to adjust to a great unwinding.2006 looks a great time to buy bear funds.

  31. ron May 31, 2006 10:24 am

    Look what the Independent ( U.K.’s conservative daily) published.
    > World > Americas
    Bush ‘planted fake news stories on American TV’
    By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
    Published: 29 May 2006
    Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies’ products.

    Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.

    The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items.

    “We know we only had partial access to these VNRs and yet we found 77 stations using them,” said Diana Farsetta, one of the group’s researchers. “I would say it’s pretty extraordinary. The picture we found was much worse than we expected going into the investigation in terms of just how widely these get played and how frequently these pre-packaged segments are put on the air.”

    Ms Farsetta said the public relations companies commissioned to produce these segments by corporations had become increasingly sophisticated in their techniques in order to get the VNRs broadcast. “They have got very good at mimicking what a real, independently produced television report would look like,” she said.

    The FCC has declined to comment on the investigation but investigators from the commission’s enforcement unit recently approached Ms Farsetta for a copy of her group’s report.

    The range of VNR is wide. Among items provided by the Bush administration to news stations was one in which an Iraqi-American in Kansas City was seen saying “Thank you Bush. Thank you USA” in response to the 2003 fall of Baghdad. The footage was actually produced by the State Department, one of 20 federal agencies that have produced and distributed such items.

    Many of the corporate reports, produced by drugs manufacturers such as Pfizer, focus on health issues and promote the manufacturer’s product. One example cited by the report was a Hallowe’en segment produced by the confectionery giant Mars, which featured Snickers, M&Ms and other company brands. While the original VNR disclosed that it was produced by Mars, such information was removed when it was broadcast by the television channel - in this case a Fox-owned station in St Louis, Missouri.

    Bloomberg news service said that other companies that sponsored the promotions included General Motors, the world’s largest car maker, and Intel, the biggest maker of semi-conductors. All of the companies said they included full disclosure of their involvement in the VNRs. “We in no way attempt to hide that we are providing the video,” said Chuck Mulloy, a spokesman for Intel. “In fact, we bend over backward to make this disclosure.”

    The FCC was urged to act by a lobbying campaign organised by Free Press, another non-profit group that focuses on media policy. Spokesman Craig Aaron said more than 25,000 people had written to the FCC about the VNRs. “Essentially it’s corporate advertising or propaganda masquerading as news,” he said. “The public obviously expects their news reports are going to be based on real reporting and real information. If they are watching an advertisement for a company or a government policy, they need to be told.”

    The controversy over the use of VNRs by television stations first erupted last spring. At the time the FCC issued a public notice warning broadcasters that they were obliged to inform viewers if items were sponsored. The maximum fine for each violation is $32,500 (£17,500).

    Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies’ products.

    Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.

    The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items.

    “We know we only had partial access to these VNRs and yet we found 77 stations using them,” said Diana Farsetta, one of the group’s researchers. “I would say it’s pretty extraordinary. The picture we found was much worse than we expected going into the investigation in terms of just how widely these get played and how frequently these pre-packaged segments are put on the air.”

    Ms Farsetta said the public relations companies commissioned to produce these segments by corporations had become increasingly sophisticated in their techniques in order to get the VNRs broadcast. “They have got very good at mimicking what a real, independently produced television report would look like,” she said.

    The FCC has declined to comment on the investigation but investigators from the commission’s enforcement unit recently approached Ms Farsetta for a copy of her group’s report.

    The range of VNR is wide. Among items provided by the Bush administration to news stations was one in which an Iraqi-American in Kansas City was seen saying “Thank you Bush. Thank you USA” in response to the 2003 fall of Baghdad. The footage was actually produced by the State Department, one of 20 federal agencies that have produced and distributed such items.
    Many of the corporate reports, produced by drugs manufacturers such as Pfizer, focus on health issues and promote the manufacturer’s product. One example cited by the report was a Hallowe’en segment produced by the confectionery giant Mars, which featured Snickers, M&Ms and other company brands. While the original VNR disclosed that it was produced by Mars, such information was removed when it was broadcast by the television channel - in this case a Fox-owned station in St Louis, Missouri.

    Bloomberg news service said that other companies that sponsored the promotions included General Motors, the world’s largest car maker, and Intel, the biggest maker of semi-conductors. All of the companies said they included full disclosure of their involvement in the VNRs. “We in no way attempt to hide that we are providing the video,” said Chuck Mulloy, a spokesman for Intel. “In fact, we bend over backward to make this disclosure.”

    The FCC was urged to act by a lobbying campaign organised by Free Press, another non-profit group that focuses on media policy. Spokesman Craig Aaron said more than 25,000 people had written to the FCC about the VNRs. “Essentially it’s corporate advertising or propaganda masquerading as news,” he said. “The public obviously expects their news reports are going to be based on real reporting and real information. If they are watching an advertisement for a company or a government policy, they need to be told.”

    The controversy over the use of VNRs by television stations first erupted last spring. At the time the FCC issued a public notice warning broadcasters that they were obliged to inform viewers if items were sponsored. The maximum fine for each violation is $32,500 (£17,500).
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  32. Glenn May 31, 2006 2:02 pm

    Wow!! The last several posts surely were from from some pretty bitter people. As for me, I am protected, insured and insulated from what will be coming down the pike in the next 10-15 years….. YES! We are in what could be construed as an illegal military action. BUT, we are there !!! Let’s get the da_n job done and get our boys home. YES, our government (notice I use lower case here out of dis-respect) is blatantly lying to us when it comes to economics, statistics, and the state of our Republic. BUT, as we as citizens have a RESPONSIBILITY to change that….. I do, you do. I have not yet begun my fight for several reasons I will not discuss now. I will be “fighting” for this Republic in the future, no doubt about it. YES, the “Media Complex” is blatantly skewing ALL news you see on a daily basis. BUT, do you folks always believe everything you see, hear, read anyway? With the Internet and forums such as this, real information is more and more available everyday. YES, our central bank and the world’s central banks (which are privately owned folks!)are all in collusion to keep the world’s populace “barefoot and pregnant” while degrading standards to the point that we will all be at each other’s throats before long. BUT, there is hope.

  33. the stranger May 31, 2006 5:15 pm

    Great example cornhusker; It really is an amazing story - Brian Chontosh’s heroism was incredible. I got the story over and over in emails and it checked True at snopes. The story was snatched by someone that didn’t mind using Chontosh’s heroism to make their point. You get the feeling that this guy wants to see more stories of school building and water projects. I hate nation building and peace keeping by the military – gets em’ shot up.

    And the tragedy just seems to feed on itself. Aside from getting killed and maimed, the physiological horror is pervasive. Your partner gets killed because of a bomb through a check point; you get jumpy and shoot up the wrong vehicle at a check point. Innocent people killed, the guilt – the damage is endless, and it’s immeasurable.

    Take the Abu ghraib prison situation. What if I were there? …and I were 21 again? Would I have been sucked into the mistreatment of prisoners? Hey, I was told “there’s more to these guys than you know. They’re evil… it’s the right thing to do for your country. …on and on” I’m naturally pissed off anyway. Yeah, how would I have responded? I’d like to take the high road; but I can’t. I wasn’t there.

    But getting back to the Chontosh’s heroism turned propaganda commercial, the story thief wasted no time spreading the government line “And we’re almost on a first-name basis with the pukes who abused the Iraqi prisoners.” Yeah, let em’ take the fall. Misconduct in hell, incredible.

    Very fitting cornhusker – thanks for bringing that back into my consciousness.

  34. alphacarpenter June 1, 2006 7:34 am

    khill’s statement does not seem pessimistic to me, on the contrary his comments are refreshing. With the fall of dominant control of MSM, Vote fraud and the petrodollar we will end up with a better world. Maybe instead of huge empires controlling things we will have swarms of people controlling specific areas and taking control of certain tasks. For example a huge swarm of minutemen would control the border and another swarm of of doctors like doctors without borders would control medicine. This concept is kinda vague but I got the idea from a book called Distraction.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553576399/102-7644709-6286539?v=glance&n=283155
    But my view is a bit more optimistic than the book.

  35. David June 1, 2006 8:16 am

    Intuition is the greatest way to know what’s bull and what isn’t. If you’re in tune with your intuition, if you truly know you’re listening to it, then you’ll know.

    Fact is, you have more neurons in the gut than in the brain. When you feel something isn’t right, then you know.

    Intuition is one of the greatest tools out there, far more powerful than any super computer, and it can overcome any lie. And everyone has it. You just have to learn to trust it.

  36. alphacarpenter June 1, 2006 1:00 pm

    Israel warns of World Cup Terror…..
    I don’t know who would be responsible Israeli mossad or the Arab Hizbulla but this one looks credible folks.
    This could happen on the date 6/6/06!

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3255447,00.html

    WARNING: This is just a prediction and lets just hope that if more people know about this alert then it won’t happen.

  37. the stranger June 1, 2006 9:10 pm

    More neurons in the gut than in the brain? Steven Cobert or Francis Bacon?

    Hey, I think khill’s statements are refreshing because they’re perceptive and tend to skip the sugar coating; but not pessimistic? “I have zero hope that the next 10-20 years will be safe, stable and prosperous.” That sounds pessimistic to me (not that I disagree with it). I was thinking this period of transition and chaos might just be the rest of my life. And how do you get “protected, insured and insulated from what will be coming down the pike in the next 10-15 years?” How can you know what’s coming down the pike? I could live in a tree house; but a dentist would be nice too. Now this is bugging me - swarms of people.

  38. barter this June 2, 2006 5:39 am

    I was wondering if any of you all had read anything on this?
    http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14965

    Is this a way to be “protected, insured and insulated from what will be coming down the pike in the next 10-15 years?”

    One large union of the americas, move farther north or farther south…Is there going to be any place to hide?
    Barter

  39. Rich June 2, 2006 5:59 am

    There is no hiding or insulation from Peak Humanity!

    This event is not about just human activity, and how do you hide from earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunami’s, hurricanes, global warming and pandemics?

    Sure you can get off the grid, hide in the mountains, protect yourself against marauders and store food and water, but if the big one hits (whatever that may be) there is no running from it.

    I have given up on the notion of much preparation, I’d like to think I’m mentally prepared, and I expect the unexpected daily - but who knows how we’ll react when the unexpected happens?

    Cheers Rich

  40. yes June 3, 2006 7:44 pm

    U.S. Wireless Online

  41. the stranger June 4, 2006 10:30 am
  42. FeelingWeird June 6, 2006 11:21 am

    Have any of you ever considered that the government wants to allow sites like this to exist. Much like the Matrix movies, we all live in a pre-fab world. People like us like to think we are “different”, that we are so damn smart and more informed than others. Yet what do we all do with that knowledge? We just sit and spout off on forums and other dark areas of the net. We don’t do anything about it. And like the Matrix, this type of dissent is not only allowed it’s encouraged. Not overtly of course, but it’s allowed to exist in the cracks. For if it weren’t for outlets like this, people like us might crack.

    Since we feel like such “revolutionaries” here, we don’t go out and bomb buildings or cause havok. We just live our little revolutionary lives here in cyber space, while we still contribute our taxes, buy the stuff and live the life of a matrix dweller.

    How many of us(me included obviously), would be willing to drop all that the matrix, gives us? 99.9% wouldn’t give it up. Because we all know what the alternative to the matrix is, don’t we? We know that if the matrix fails then we all will be living a subsistance life.

    The matrix of our lives, is the leviathan state. And just like the Matrix movie it is literally connected to every part of us. Without it, the majority of those living on this planet, unfourtunatly dies. Without the interconnectedness of all the systems that feed and clothe us, let’s face it, most of us cease to exist. Because how many of us even know how to subsitance live?? If you were given a sack of unprocessed wheat what the hell would you do with it? We are all completely and utterly dependent on the system. Without it most of us are dead men…

    Robert NW Ohio

  43. the stranger June 6, 2006 6:10 pm

    Can’t disagree with any of that… and revolution may be futile as preparation. Perhaps Rich sums it up, “I’d like to think I’m mentally prepared, and I expect the unexpected daily.” Maybe the purpose of these pedantic rants is just verification and support; and to “brace ourselves” for when we are inevitably unplugged. That - and it keeps us amused.

  44. khill June 6, 2006 8:09 pm

    We are depending on a life support system that appears to be on the verge of breaking down.A political revolution solves nothing.All we can do is prepare the best we can and try to help others.There are two solutions to our situation, one is a technological breakthrough to a new energy source.The second solution is population reduction.Population reduction can be fast or slow and accomplished in a number of ways in many combinations.After the population correction happens the good things we have developed can give a high quality of life to the next generations.The Peak Oil problem can be slowed by a depression in the U.S. and or China and or the world.A pandemic can provide population reduction ,so can a bioweapon release.As we well know life will be most dangerous in population dense areas as crime and civil unrest increase.It’s already happening.Democracy will soon be considered a nice concept that we can live without.A crises calls for strong action and quick respone.China and Russia are going to kick the U.S.A.’s butt as we spend our time going through the rituals of Democracy and talk our heads off arguing about what to do.How low the will population go and when will it get there?One or two billion by 2050?2100?2020!?If we don’t want to watch a human population die off we must focus on an energy solution.PERIOD.If the energy problem is solved we can take on the food and water problems next as the energy solution will allow the population to continue to grow until the food and water stresses arrive.So get out of the city and promote energy as issue #1 in any way you can.That’s what we can do.Time is so short.We are already putting food into our gas tanks to cling to our way of life.This only increases the stress on the food problem and the poor.We must do better than that.Let’s start by banning red meat and SUVs as both waste huge amounts of energy.Until we are ready to make extreme changes I think we are in for some very bad times.

  45. barter this June 7, 2006 2:40 pm

    ‘Yes’, I agree, I figure 98% of the population would not know what to do with a bag of unprocessed wheat, and I also agree with ‘Khill’ as to putting food into the gas tank.
    When the 20’s Great Depression happened most of society was rual and were able to somewhat fend for themselves, by trade and barter.

    “How times they have changed”. Of course you all know this and as ‘FeelingWierd’ states, as long as we are HERE blasting our government and life in general, WE aren’t out THERE doing much of anything else…and Wierd is proberly right about the System, they do have US by the EGG ROLLS, not that I have any, but if I had a pair they would be in a Tight Squeeeese…LOL
    Barter

  46. bp June 7, 2006 3:58 pm

    hm, sometimes I get the feeling we are enacting the play “Waiting for Godot” here - this whole collapse thing is slow in coming, and yet the ability of our “leaders” to act in advance of disaster in almost nil. But, even though this slowness tries my patience, I still see the odds for a major collapse increasing over time - even the insurance companies are starting to reduce their exposure to future natural disasters.

    One thing I can say is that this site has heightened my senses concerning the problems that exist in our “system”, if at this point we can call it a system - seems a dysfunctional mess of a government and institutions to me. My guess is that “the powers that be” aren’t gonna stay in the driver’s seat much longer, it’s getting to be time for mother Nature to start rolling the dice. We may be in a Matrix, but it isn’t absolute control - there’s a fair number of people dropping out of the system now,

    Seems to me I am searching for something here - on this site, maybe just bits and pieces of things, but there are things, perspectives, coming through here that are useful - if nothing else at least a sense of which way the wind is blowing - I have heard some predictions that eventually people in the US will refuse to pay taxes - wouldn’t that be a hoot - I figure that the IRS is so undermined by now they are ready to collapse, times are really getting strange.

  47. the stranger June 9, 2006 3:23 pm

    Never heard of this guy - great distilled definition; on topic too. From the appendix of the daily Midas Report (two weeks free trial, btw)

    …Lets face it, globalism is simply repackaged communism with a fascist twist, and "free trade" is how the redistribution of wealth scheme is being implemented. It is being implemented by well funded and well planned inside "traitors" (pun intended) who have been carefully installed in various key positions of industry and government over many many years. Part of the necessary goals on the road to world government are to make the American Constitutional Republic, the sovereign nation state and "capitalism" look very very bad, while advancing the ever creeping mobocracy known as "democracy" over a limited republican form of government…
    Karl Reile

  48. the stranger June 10, 2006 7:28 am

    Have any of you seen this Forbes article? I found it at Cryptogon. Rig Exodus Impacts Production In Gulf Of Mexico. “…could cut shelf production in the Gulf of Mexico by as much as 20% over the next 18 months.” Seems like a big deal…

  49. Ron June 10, 2006 1:35 pm

    what is not bull? pennies.

    collectors of coins are hoarding pennies like there is no tomorrow.

  50. barter this June 11, 2006 10:34 am

    Why is that Ron? Is zinc valuable today?

    With the rising metal prices, fuel and processing costs all has caused the price of production to rise. The composition of the cent is 97.5% zinc plated with copper (2.5 grams) and the nickel is made with 75% copper and 25% zinc (5 grams).
    Price per pound of zinc is $1.4952, nickel is $9.4092, and copper at $3.6266.
    Prior to the change in 1982, the composition of the Lincoln cent was 95% copper and the rest tin and zinc with a weight of 3.11 grams.

    No real need to hoard, unless you just want to have something tangible to put in the hand of the person you are paying for that loaf of bread…
    Barter

  51. the stranger June 11, 2006 2:52 pm

    The most attractive aspect of owning metals, to me, is the energy factor. If you had to use five times the energy, to dig deeper for example, and/or pay five times as much for that energy as another example, just to mine say - copper; all copper would reflect that value. Replacement cost so to speak. Modern mining is fossil fuel intensive, but whether its ham-sandwich powered pick axes or maximus drillosaurus, it eats energy. The refining process chews up energy too and the resulting product embodies all that energy.

    I read somewhere recently that the modern western lifestyle uses the equivalent energy of fifty slaves per person. I didn’t try to verify the number; no doubt someone’s hypothesis – but it seems reasonable. And it’s an amazing concept to ponder. Each of us has the power, at our disposal, similar to (or greater than?) ancient royalty. It’s the power of the twentieth century; the food, shelter, transportation, education… comfort? It’s my contention, and likely most at this site, that we’ve reached the end of cheap-oil. So in effect, we’re losing our slaves; at least some of them.

    About once a month lately I consider sending Lindsey Technical Books an empty credit card number and saying “send me one of everything.” They specialize in reprinted, hundred year old technical manuals. Basic machines, early technology and know-how for making power, transmuting power, distilling, blacksmithing, pumps, you name it… I’ve sidetracked, but just flipping through the catalog reminds me of the relationship between metals, machines and energy.

    Anyway, I figure anything tangible and useful will be a store in value. Land, tools, solar cells, food, water …knowledge; but metals are bound to remain the most distilled, long lasting, and common stores-of-value you can lay your hands on.

  52. the stranger June 11, 2006 5:18 pm

    Screw this “Orwell” thing (whose idea was that?). No matter the topic, discussion leads to Collapse; there must be a reason for that. Think TPTB can jack this up one more time? just to get em’ through elections? World markets took a beating last week; Monday, Monday…

  53. bp June 12, 2006 4:53 pm

    hm, stranger - monday, indeed - things are definitely heating up. My guess would be that metals won’t be a good store of energy/value until things calm down, if there is a major collapse - probably barter first, then precious metals longer term.

  54. the stranger June 12, 2006 7:45 pm

    Bp - you know planning for major collapse (and collapse seems probable) feels like planning for nuclear war. And I’m sure you’re right; in the sense of looking at charts and timing and all. I meant it long term, or maybe in terms of energy spent and what it means to us …in terms of Peak-waste. I think we are collectively deluded into thinking things are less valuable than they really are. You never miss your water till your well runs dry.

    Perhaps glass would be a better example than metal (because we can’t help thinking of gold or silver for obvious reasons). What I’m getting at is this. I can’t imagine throwing away bottles in the future like I do now. I shouldn’t, but I do; they’re cheap. There’s a lot of energy consumed in the production of glass; and in the equipment that make it. In the near future much that we take for granted may be turned on its head.

    Silver just finished a fifty percent retracement; still in the black though. I just read an article at Safe Haven warning silver is risky right now; is that really possible if you’re long term? I know deflation will set in, on many things. But I’m not looking for T-bones, wine and propane to be included - definitely barter first.

  55. barter this June 12, 2006 8:14 pm

    Stranger,
    I am wondering WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS we should start collecting? I am a Pack Rat from way back, and so is my husband.
    Right now he is collecting older model autos for the steel weight, which is $5.00 a hundred pounds now. He has made a couple trips to the recycle scrap yard lately.
    What else can we “collect” now for barter later. We have 3 acres to store most anything and living in Alabama and being in the county…LOL
    Barter

  56. the stranger June 12, 2006 8:40 pm

    Some thoughts;
    100 Items To Disappear First In A Panic
    Mountain House out-of-stock
    Emergency Essentials
    KI4U

    I’m still working one that question myself;
    you have 3 acres in Alabama, I have links - you’re ahead…

  57. cornhusker June 13, 2006 5:04 am

    It’s happening! Heli-Ben has just officially announced the Fed’s attack on liquidity! Recession, here we come…by the way, gold is down $25/ounce this morning. It’s funny, the average American has no idea what’s going on…CASH WILL BE KING AGAIN! Here’s the article:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B1A9026E9%2DFD5F%2D4B32%2D920E%2DEB278BA24B1A%7D&siteid=mktw&dist=

  58. Ron June 13, 2006 7:15 am

    the word is in my neck of the woods is that those pennies are being furtively shipped into Canada and are being bought up there for more than they’re worth face value. The pennies are then melted down.

  59. Ron June 13, 2006 7:37 am

    48, old pennies with a weight of 2.5 grams each works out to 500 grams for two hundred of them. 454 grams per pound, 200 old pennies are worth about or over four dollars. simple math tells you to hoard old pennies.

  60. the stranger June 13, 2006 3:44 pm

    It’s tragic the average American has no idea what’s going on; but you’re right, it’s funny too. And we are, absolutely no doubt, one step closer to one big A$$ mess. But I don’t think we are sliding all the way out on this drop; if for no other reason than – we should be.

    I think this is the Heli-Ben Bluff. The markets drop the next week or so, discounting the next rate hike before it comes. But it doesn’t come; and then the rally is on. Seems like a viable game plan with elections and all, but how long could it last? Of course, ANYTHING could screw it up – but it would have to be more powerful than EVERYTHING else trying to keep it going. Reading the latest Richebacher Report, sounds like the Fed is between rock and a hard place; can’t move up or down.

    I’ve been wondering if the first sign of a dollar dying would be persistent up; what do you think? If you had to get out of dollars, and your dollars are actually in dollar denominated assets, don’t you have to move into dollars (sell/convert) first?

    This market drop is deflation in action, for sure, but that can’t be what’s taking gold & silver down. I won’t believe it even if they start giving it away. Swan song remains the same; my bet is against this bullshitrend.

  61. cornhusker June 14, 2006 4:50 am

    My take on all of this is that we’re in the infancy of a severe recession (leading to depression), which will last for 5-7 years…after which we’ll all experience Hyperinflation. I’m 95% cash right now and will wait for sub-$200 gold before I become a buyer. Between 2012-2020, I could see gold jumping from $200 to $20,000…do your own due diligence, these are just my personal beliefs.

    I am not, in any way, advising anyone to make investment decisions based on what I believe will likely happen in the years to come. Good luck!

  62. khill June 14, 2006 9:54 am

    Gold exposure is a must. In this world the stuff can hit the fan at any moment and it will be too late to take action.Limit up,limit down for weeks may occur in many markets.Panic and government actions may disable every investor except the prepositioned ones.Gold and bear funds are essential.If gold is underowned just think how few investors have bear funds.When trillions of paper assets seek safety and jump around it will be an amazing process.I have yet to see any real hope for the next couple of decades and can see a human die off coming sooner rather than later.I have imagined a die off that includes three 4 year cycles of mass death starting possibly around 2008 with a bio weapon release in North America that kills 50 million.Then around 2012 WW III becomes official in which 500 million die.Wave 3 begins in 2016 which sees food and water shortages,mass gang violence,starvation and disease that could see as many as 5 billion dead.The remaining 1-2 billion people will see a new age,an evolution of the heart that equates to the “second coming of Christ” and the beginging of a 1,000 years of peace.Cooperation and sustainable life styles will be the basis of economics.Remaining natural resources will be managed much more wisely and priced with at a premium.Numbers that I am playing with are 3,000 DOW/3,000 gold/30% interest rates/300 oil/30 U.S. dollar index $15 gasoline.Stabilized price levels might be 100 oil/1,000 gold as support.I hope none of this comes true.

  63. FeelingWeird June 16, 2006 12:16 pm

    Honestly, what good is gold?? My thought is this, If you all think there is a BIG crash coming, the only thing that will be worth while is a couple of good arable acres of land, a good fuel efficient house(wood burning prefereably), and a good idea of how to grow a good portion of your own food.

    I am well on my way to completing this final step. I am closing on a foreclosed home hopefully in the next few weeks. It’s a full acre of very good land. It’s close to work and shopping and groceries, yet far enough away from the shit areas that I feel safe.

    Screw silver and gold, you can’t eat it. I agree both will do VERY well in the years to come. But I would put my priorities as thus.

    * GET OUT OF DEBT FIRST
    * CONCURENTLY WITH NUMBER 1, YOU MUST UNLOAD ANY OVER VALUED OVER INDEBTED PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY IF ITS IN THE MIDDLE OF A MAJOR URBAN CENTER. EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO RENT, GET OUT OF THE CITY!!
    * SAVE ALL THE MONEY YOU CAN AND PAY DOWN DEBT. ONCE YOU ARE NEARING DEBT FREE. START LOOKING FOR FORECLOSED HOMES. YOU CAN GET GREAT DEALS. AS THE HOUSING BUBBLE POPS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT WAY FOR CASH RICH PEOPLE, TO SPEND THEIR $’s
    * BUY LAND, LEARN TO GROW FOOD, LEARN, LEARN , LEARN!!!
    * IF ALL THE ABOVE IS DONE. STOCK UP ON GOLD…SILVER…WHATEVER ELSE WILL BARTER…

    Robert NW Ohio

  64. the stranger June 16, 2006 7:21 pm

    Some good ideas there, but get-out-of-debt …first? Good one; I hear that a lot. Here, let me join in; everyone, I order you to get out of debt today. Oh, you can’t do that? Maybe your productivity has been tapped by a fiat system; or maybe a family medical disaster? or… (ad nauseum)

    Here’s some free advice and it’s worth every penny – get a good paying job, lets say manufacturing. How about Ford or GM? OK now work hard; put in some extra hours of course. You can pay Uncle Sam with the overtime (is that all you get for your money?) With a little discipline, we can clean this mess up in say, eleven years. Not bad.

    Problem is, we’re at end game economics - now. A few years ago my own debt was fairly significant; still is actually. The difference between now and then - my assets equals my liabilities. Thank gold, silver, and the undeserved luck in comprehending the monetary metal undervaluation crime imposed by fiat. To have gold exposure (as khill says) is to I grasp, in some sense, what is happening. I don’t plan to eat it, I plan to eat.

    - cornhusker may be trading $200 for an ounce of gold, but not with me. $2000 gold isn’t 2012, it’s now; can’t you see it? I can. I can look out about fifty feet away, out from under this grape-vine shaded arbor, and I can see it. Comes into focus for a few seconds, then it’s gone again. Grapes are no shield for a relentless stream of world-wide warnings. I wonder how anyone can not envisage the value of honest, constitutional money. Gold is $2000 an ounce; today …just don’t use it until everyone else sees it.

  65. bp June 17, 2006 3:06 pm

    gee stranger, why settle for a good paying job with Ford or GM, why not get a really good paying job, like as a pilot with Delta Airlines.

    and khill, I’d say you left out the earthquake that is gonna hit the New Madrid faultline, or San Andrias faultline - that surly will add to your mix. Somehow I think you have your chronology upside down - I’d say the food/water shortages come first, then resource wars and global economic collapse, then bio-disasters and “nuclur” explosions, and then pandemonium, but I would hope the rest of your vision holds - if we can, or want to, live on this Earth after all of what you see unfolds.

    It will be interesting to see what new world will arise from the ashes of this coming mess. Sounds to me you are predicting the demise of “corporate capitalism”.

  66. the stranger June 17, 2006 5:38 pm

    I know, I know… so many carrers are falling by the way side. The job I really want is growing my own food on some arable land – think I’d rather be near FeelingWeird than the San Andreas, but here I am – so each of us has a preferred chronology I guess. The term golden parachute takes on new meaning. Your chronology sounds about right bp, and I think we’re in the resources wars already; they’re just going to expand and intencify. Food and water shortages are also now, just not to us yet. Bio-disasters and nuclur sitting in the wings – you can’t get the genie back in the bottle.

    A lot going on. Ever check out Lammert’s site, the The Economic Fractalist? Just click on the daily update. I check in there about once a week. It reminds me that a lot of bright people are trying to navigate this ride into the future but no one knows how it all will unfold (e.g. $200 gold is possible). If the monetary system were sound, resource depletion might still have been a major problem. And even if that were manageable, we’ve concocted some nasty shit that we can’t even un-invent.

  67. khill June 17, 2006 6:47 pm

    Man has to learn a few hard lessons.It seems only a trip to the edge of total destruction will wake us up.A depression and a mass die off are now in the cards as we have failed to heed the warning signs of the first oil crises.Too late now for easy or even hard fixes as far as I can see.We can predict a cycle of chaos and destruction.How it might unfold is just a guessing game and a way to prepare ourselves emotionally.At this point we can prepare for the worst and hope we are wrong.I hope future generations will no longer need war to solve problems.I hope man will take the technology he has developed and the resources that are left to build a better world.I hope for a society that worships nothing and takes responibilty for everything we can control and learns to respect what can not be controled.IMO man needs do grow up,to give up his superstitions his security blanket and to self evolve so we are more than trained monkeys driving cars.Our technological advances have exceeded our emotional evolution.I do have hope that man’s journey will continue and that things will improve but there is a valley of darkness to go through and it appears we have just entered it.

  68. barter this June 17, 2006 9:34 pm

    Shooo We,
    You guys are on a roll.
    Sounds like life is going to be tough.

    I have been thinking…LOL..I do that every now and then.

    What will it take for the TOP 2% with the REALLY BIG PURSE STRINGS to feel the hurt that US average and not so average folks are going to feel in the coming years or months…? Is that a possibility at all? If that should happen, in what kind of shape will the AVERAGE person be in?

    The Morgans,Rocker-fellers,Carnegies,etc…,weren’t fazed by the Great Depression, so what would it really take for those guys to go down too? Not that I would wish that on these poor greedy,slimy,lieing,backbiting so-and-so’s…LOL
    Barter

  69. the stranger June 17, 2006 10:44 pm
  70. Shooter June 19, 2006 7:42 am

    I read the story of the Marine and his heroism. I sometimes think when you get to that point you just don’t care whether you live or die anymore.
    I supect that he was just tired, tired of waiting, tired of wondering if/or when he would die. Went nuts, and came out on top, because of the fear he created against his foe.
    I am an ex - Navy SEAL. I think this site is great and I learn more every time I read.
    I used to think that we did the right thing by going after Saddam and going into Iraq. Someone had to pay right?
    We were told he was a brutal dictator, had WMD’s etc.
    The media can’t be trusted, nor can the government. I truly am more afraid of the government I served than of any other single man or terrorist or country on the planet.
    My belief is that our once great country will collapse from within. Some “final straw” of an attempted right taken away; like perhaps gun ownership.
    At first there will be pockets of resistance, but at last it will be full scale civil war. Our politicians have sold us down the road for years. Now “protecting us from terrorists” they have created thousands of new government jobs, and given themselves the right to spy on us via phone records and internet usage. I’m certain that this site is monitored.
    The first man to try to take away my property or my guns will be the first to die.
    Good luck all. Hold the line.

  71. Rabach June 19, 2006 4:10 pm

    Hello All,

    I think Feelingweird is right. Personally if I had the money I would step it up a notch and move out of the country.

    I would not want to trust sitting on gold. After all the price of gold is dictated from London. Are you going to trust that there isn’t a ‘temporary’ crash just long enough for that gold to be bought at low prices?

    Also do an internet search for the Universal National Service Act of 2006. This has NOT passed yet but will most likely pass soon as there is no media coverage about this. This Act restats the draft, if for both men and women ages 18-42 and makes NO exceptions for the medically disabled, parents or college. If that person is not eligible to service in the US armed forces than they will have to serve in the country.

    Read it for yourself.

    Rabach

  72. Ron June 19, 2006 5:12 pm

    good luck getting out of the country. you will need to smuggle yourself out and into a place that can’t be detected. tough to do these days of surveillance.

    the universal service act has no chance of passing into law. congressmen’s and congresswomen’s sons and daughters won’t be exempt either. just vote the bums out in november. If the vote isn’t corrupted and rigged, there is a chance. an army of draftees will abandon ships, refuse to fight, and desert. it happened in vietnam. in all, over 340 thousand deserted. the USS Anderson was sabotaged, had to turn back to San Diego. It never made it to Vietnam. the war in Iraq is lost.

    save america, vote for anybody but incumbents. it may not help, but it’s worth a try. The US government is the problem.

  73. the stranger June 19, 2006 6:31 pm

    Feelingweird is right, for the most part. I was capping on the get out of debt. Time is running out; especially if you got debts no honest man can pay. And you’re right too, Rabach – you can’t trust gold, not completely. If/when it goes to the moon, gov could restrict trade. It’s a lack of understanding of honest money that got us into this mess, so I get defensive if I think that’s overlooked.

    You said, “if I had the money I would step it up a notch and move out of the country.” That statement implies two things - that you (like me) don’t have the money and you are aware that leaving the land-of-the-free is prudent. Leaving the country isn’t easy and I think leaving the country is mandatory. But no family members will follow a lunatic out of the country because of some monetary collapse theory. So I’ll be here to take care of them – and some extra money could aid my resourcefulness.

    Gold is an insurance policy; and it’s not fool proof. I watch my insurance policies daily; news, websites, financial data. I’m ready to dump a significant portion at a moments notice, but I haven’t been tricked into it yet; this is a high risk game. I’m no genius; but I’m alert, apprehensive, and I’m going for it. If you think a collapse is real, then what do you really have to lose – your credit rating?

    I got two boy coming of age. I’ve been following the draft resurgence for a while. Funding for the selective service passed congress without a hitch; 25 mil then 15 mil right after, if I remember right. I read some of the fine print too and leaving the country is a loop hole already closed. The draft is just one more very real problem.

    Getting a piece of planet earth that has water and will be relatively safe is Number One. Stock it with knowledge, skills, tools, and technology – then ranch farm it plus cottage industry. Be generous with you neighbors, work together. But don’t overlook the potential of gold to help make that a reality.

  74. Inspired June 19, 2006 8:11 pm

    How do I know its BULL?
    When the media spins the news to a different take than what I heard or read / and anticipated. Its a fade.
    For example as a bond trader, I have heard Wall Street call an end to the FED tightenings for 21 of the last 16 rate hikes. It truly has bee amazing to watch the stock junkies gullibly buy (rally after rally) on that nonsense only after minutes of release from the FED itself stated, that more tightenings are on the way. Wall Street even pulled off an interest ending stock rally when the GDP was revised up to 5.3% and conflicted with Bernake’s statements….Only to have the media then blame this Wall Street nonsense on the Fed itself for “unclear messages”. Oh give me a break!

    It plainly demonstrates that stocks junkies are not in a position to rally on interest ending news. When the tightening cycle does end, the full me once theroy (21 times now) will be exhausted.
    Another great example is “We are 1 day behind Ben Laden?” How many times did wall street rally on that nonsense? If the US caught him now would the market rally? Does any one care?…and
    Why can we put a satellite photo on my roof top at my house with an entry of a zip code but a guy that needs blood transfusions can’t be spotted??? Answer he is ghost?

  75. Shooter June 20, 2006 6:10 am

    My guess is that they either have Bin Laden or he is in Pakistan and they can’t go get him because it would lead to Musharref being ousted and political upheaveal.
    Zarqawi sure looked good for a guy who got hit by a bomb. He looked like he might have been on ice for awhile.
    They’ll probably bring out Bin Laden’s dead ass just before the election.

  76. barter this June 20, 2006 7:55 am

    I have been reading lately about a Canada, US and Mexico merger of sorts. I was talking to guy the other day who says that the US Gov has already started the Superhighway in Texas to go up into Canada.

    http://www.imaja.com/as/environment/cars/SuperhighwaysThreatenNA.html

    …NO PASSPORTS AND EASY ACCESS TO BRING IN DISSERTERS…

    So from this…There will be no place to HIDE…unless you want to leave the continent.
    Personally I don’t won’t go to another country, cause I don’t have the money to pay off a kidnapping or want to be killed just because I am an American…

    A large group could get together and buy one of those old military bases out in the desert and move underground…Now that sounds like a winner…LOL

  77. Rabach June 21, 2006 12:14 am

    I have also been reading about the superhighway. My understanding is they are just going to use existing freeway and extend lanes to make it a superhighway.

    The excuse I heard was that Texas was a closer port than Los Angeles for imports from China. I am still scratching my head on that one, I haven’t done the math.

    I guess one should simply ask who is this going to be an advantage to?

    I have also read that they are going to come out with the Amero as a new currency. However, I do not believe that in the least bit.

    I can’t wait until The Bull gets back to start posting some great articles again.

    Rabach

  78. bp June 21, 2006 4:24 pm

    stranger - I checked Lammert’s site - that was interesting - the whole area of Fractals seems pertinent to the way events are moving now-a-days, repeating patterns within patterns, reminds me of that novelty theory of Terrence McKenna which used fractals - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_theory.

    shooter, I can understand where you are coming from, things are really wack these days - I remember when I was a kid thinking the John Birch Society was a bunch of nuts, but as time goes by I see things falling in line with the pressure from the Powers that Be, more of a feudal society coming down the line where 5% rule the other 95% - seems things are getting biased toward the power and wealth holders at the expense of society and the individuals in it.

    ron, when you say the government is the problem, I think you are not seeing the forest for the trees, I was connected to the US Dept of Labor for a number of years, it was/is just a running dog for the corporate capitalist predators that buy the politicians off - policy goes to the highest bidder - I’d say it’s not the gun that kills, it is the one that shoots it, in this case the money behind the politics that runs the government - anymore I’m not even sure a system of checks and balances will work, as both sides seems to be bought and paid for.

    inspired - I have a question for you - your perspective could be right insightful here - what do you know of a plunge protection team ( i may have the name messed up) — they evidently intercede in the market to keep it from dropping too much at anyone given time by buying and selling different securities, and pumping money into the system - that and the hedge funds games being played sound too close to manipulation for me to get into this market anymore.

    and barter, buying a military base and moving underground - hm, that sounds a bit too much like Elizabeth Claire Prophet’s gambet in Montana - which failed ( i understand she ended up with dementia - which makes me cautious about taking any point of view to an extreme, hehe). I think that what will happen will be similar to what has been commonly mentioned on this site - if you can imagine a future, it probably won’t happen that way - not that i like looking at it that way, just seems to be the way things are moving.

    For now, what seems to have a high probability of happening is some catastrophe creating a breaking point that brings the house of cards down (economically), this period of expansion seems to be getting long in the teeth, over extended, not supported by wage increases, except for politicians and CEOs.

  79. the stranger June 21, 2006 5:59 pm

    Buy an underground military base, is that possible? That’s crazy (I’m in).

    I’d never heard of Novelty Theory, interesting… and Fractals do appear similar. I bought two of Prechter’s books; I read one and I have no desire to read the other. I got a lot out of it though and I think Prechter’s right in the big picture. It’s an interesting science; applied to the markets the practitioners are called “technicians.” On the other end of the spectrum is “fundamentals.” Most market observers are a mix, I suppose.

    The Plunge Protection Team, as I understand it, is another name for the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets or, more likely, a morphed nefarious hybrid. Regan created it after the market crash of 87 with (at least some) good intentions. Come to think of it, the same could be said of the Federal Reserve.

    For two or three years now, US markets have maintained unnaturally low volatility and the only viable inference is government intervention (the PPT). Problem is, what started out as intervention under extraordinary circumstances has become continuous, unceasing. That is - the junky needs larger, more frequent doses.

    What I’ve been wondering lately, and the Bernanke Fed is on record to buy equities, is how much money is being created to prop up the markets. It must be massive at this point; and that’s why I believe hyperinflation is already in the pipe, as long as the system keeps running.

    Strange, isn’t it bp “the more I know, the less I understand, all the things I thought I figured out, I have to learn again.

  80. khill June 22, 2006 10:47 am

    On May 10 2006 the human (the man beast) population achieved 6.66 billion based on growth rate of 1.4 percent.May 10 2006 may have also seen an important top in global stock markets.

  81. the stranger June 22, 2006 7:06 pm

    I always figured six-six-six referred to the Pope or the Roman hijacking of Christianity, or something contemporary to the times. Fitting coincidence though… On a related note, check out this article on Peak-humanity (Rich, you out there?). The Most Powerful Force on Earth

    Barter, here’s a short article on the “Plan To Erase US Borders” with some relevant links. After reading it, what bothered me most was the map.

  82. Wisdom Now June 24, 2006 7:34 pm

    I have been thinking of opening a CAD banking account or a Euro Banking account, a small one, and add to according to my means, what are the tax implications in Cananda and in Luxmburg or Swiss, any recomendation on procedures to do so, the dollar is toast and its just a matter of time, I just want to get to the door before they yell fire in the threather….thanks.,

  83. bp June 25, 2006 4:25 pm

    stranger, in looking at your two articles you linked to - one on population’s link to inflation, and the other on the erasing of US Borders, it seems they are contradictory - I would tend to side with Martin Weiss - seems to be no way we can maintain a transporation system based on trucking the way things are going - just a waste on money to develop that, but….hey it seems our leaders are real good at wasting money lately…must be easy to come by…a billion here, a billion there….so I guess they will pour money into that erasing of borders superhighway, but it won’t last long - I give it 10 years LOL

    wisdom, you wait long enough Canada will be part of the North American Union - just trying to “grow” ourselves out of trouble - then we can do like the rest of the animals and start moving north to escape the global warming.

    as for investments and preserving “capital” - looks like investing in food/commodities futures ought to be a winner.

  84. the stranger June 25, 2006 6:08 pm

    …seems contradictory and irrational, unless you’re expecting to lose part of the existing infrastructure; or continent perhaps. I sure don’t get it. But there seems to be plan; is there a plan for a land grab? Reading the Executive Order 12630, it appears they won’t be able to take private property – unless they really want it. Looks like another fork-tongue headline; hollow-tooth to follow?

  85. cornhusker June 26, 2006 7:03 am

    This is a stupid blog.

    F*ck the stock market, F*ck politics…go see a movie…I mean really, who f*cking cares about this sh*t when we’re all here for just a BLINK in the big scheme of things.

    I used to be like you guys, concerned about politics, how much money I had, how much I was earning…every year I made more and more and it was never enough. Not anymore though…all that matters is my relationship with God, my family, my friends, and laughing & smiling. It’s funny, ever since I stopped caring about money & politics, I’ve made way more than I would have ever thought possible years ago and I don’t read the newspaper or watch TV. I’m happy! Laugh more, guys…it’ll do you and everyone around you alot of good.

    Rock On!

  86. bp June 26, 2006 10:52 am

    hm, cornhusker, seems to be some wisdom in what you say - reminds me of that prayer that goes…God grant me the serenity to accept those things I cannot change…but it does go on - I would think you were familiar with it, it is quite often seen. I can’t see willful neglect of one’s situation as leading to long term happiness. It may not pay to worry about things one can’t change, but then being prepared for possibilities is not foolish. I don’t get the impression that those logging in here are out to make a ton of money, rather they/we are more interested in seeing the situation that lies before us clearly so we may have some options of action. Personnally, I don’t think it is wise to be like that character on Hogan’s Heros - Sargeant Schultz — “I see nothing!” …but I accept your choice of options - if that is the path you choose, so be it - just don’t expect me to follow you.

  87. cornhusker June 26, 2006 11:47 am

    BP,

    I’m not suggesting you “follow” me, but I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that 95%+ of all the crapola people seem to be worried about on this blog never comes to fruition.

    My favorite song:

    Jimmy Buffett
    Lucky Stars

    Woke up just the other day
    Fell out of bed and my dog ran away.
    The car won’t start and the weather was cold and gray.
    I got stuck in a traffic jam,
    My major meeting didn’t go as I planned.
    Looks like it’s gonna be another one of those days.

    I got a roof over my head,
    Someone to love me in a four poster bed,
    And I can play this here guitar
    I thank my lucky stars.

    Politicians speak and it makes me ill…
    People are dyin’ just for a thrill.
    Maybe it’s just evolution gone astray.

    The climate’s too hot, music’s gotten cold,
    I’ve livin’ like a health nut but I still grow old.
    You do what you can on the edge of the Milky Way.

    Got a roof over my head,
    Someone to love me in a four poster bed,
    And I can play this here guitar
    Gonna thank my lucky stars.

    Wrapped up in the problems of the day,
    Just remember there’s no rewind and no replay.
    Don’t you worry cause it ain’t gonna fix a thing.

    Woke up just the other day,
    Thought that maybe I’d be OK,
    Cause the story I’ve been getting
    Ain’t written anywhere.

    Got a roof over my head,
    Someone to love me in a four poster bed,
    And I can play this here guitar
    Gonna thank my lucky stars.

    Got a roof over my head,
    Someone to love me in a four poster bed,
    And I can play this here guitar
    I thank my lucky stars.
    Gonna thank my lucky stars.
    Thank you stars.

  88. the stranger June 26, 2006 5:40 pm

    A good laugh is essential…

  89. the stranger June 26, 2006 5:40 pm

    This post is in response to a “small and relatively insignificant disagreement” you made a while ago.

    I’m a self-declared lunatic who consistently confuses many of my main-stream counterparts. My kids do their school work, well some of them, and I take what I can get. Last year I paid more in taxes than I legally owe, and too much of that went to corporate welfare. As eluded in previous posts, it’s single-mindedness that makes many arguments difficult to swallow. But this country, with all of her ugly scars, is still the absolute best place on the planet… except for civility, infant mortality rates, eco footprint, quality of city life, manufacturing, health systems, freedom of the press, pollution, etc…

    This may sound a bit novel to you, but I come from EVERYTHING. Growing up, my parents were middle class and role-models were too numerous to list. Seems EVERYBODY gave to me, even if I didn’t ask. First, I was born in America during her zenith. Could have been born Cherokee on a dieing reservation. Language, social structure… already here; I didn’t make any of it. And don’t forget technology and inventions, all passed down from antiquity free-of-charge. I didn’t discover or invent it, I just use it and benefit from it. I just love indoor plumbing and clothing. I drink my share of beer, but even that was perfected long ago.

    AM I THE AMERICAN DELUSION BECAUSE I WAS GIVEN PROSPERITY BUT CAN’T POSSIBLY COMPREHEND OR APPRECIATE IT?

    No, she’s not perfect, and this system’s been gamed to the very end. I wish this were longer, did it even need to be said?

  90. the stranger June 26, 2006 5:45 pm

    Jimmy Buffett 1975

    Chorus:
    My head hurts, my feet stink, and I don”t love Jesus
    It’’s that kind of mornin”
    Really was that kind of night
    Tryin” to tell myself that my condition is improvin”
    And if I don”t die by Thursday I”ll be roarin” Friday night

    Went down to the snake pit
    To drink a little beer
    Listen to the jukebox
    Merle was comin” in clear

    All of a sudden I wad”n alone
    Pickin” country music with ol” Joe Bones
    Duval Street was rockin”
    My eyes they starting poppin”

    Because there she sat at the corner of the bar
    As I broke another string on my ol” guitar
    Someone call a cab
    Lady won”tcha pay my tab

    Chorus:
    And now my head hurts, my feet stink, and I don”t love Jesus
    (oh my lordy it’’s that…)
    It’’s that kinda mornin”
    Really was that kinda night
    Tryin” to tell myself that my condition is improvin”
    And if I don”t die by Thursday I”ll be roarin” Friday night

    Gotta get a little orange juice
    And a Darvon for my head
    I can”t spend all day
    Baby layin” in the bed

    I”m goin” down to Fausto’’s get some chocolate milk
    Can”t spend my life in yer sheets of silk
    I”ve got to find my way
    Crawl out and greet the day

    Chorus:
    But now my head hurts, my feet stink, and I don”t love Jesus
    (oh my lordy it’’s that…)
    It’’s that kinda mornin”
    Really was that kinda night
    Tryin” to tell myself that my condition is improvin”
    And if I don”t die by Thursday I”ll be roarin” Friday night

    Let me tell ya, I be roarin” Friday night
    I mean I”ll be
    Roarin”
    Friday
    Night

  91. Ron June 27, 2006 7:10 am

    As long as we’re on Jimmy Buffet (a nephew of Warren Buffet, I believe)lyrics, here goes:

    In The Shelter by Jimmy Buffet

    “In the shelter
    In the morning as the sun was brightly beaming
    I heard her cryin’ out what is it all about
    I just don’t know
    But I can’t go back home

    Lonely princess
    All the days out on your own are growing empty
    Nothing is goin’ well if you could only tell them
    How you feel
    But they’re too real to understand

    Too many trite expressions ended in forced rejections
    long ago
    Too many innocent faces too many far out places
    something’s wrong
    Let me tell you that something’s wrong
    It’s been that way so long
    It’s a shame

    On the street car
    To the city where she knows that she might lose it all
    Riding for just a dime taking her own sweet time
    and knowing well
    This could be her final fall

    Past the boutique
    down the alley to the river people pass her by
    Sits on the big gray rocks takes off her boots and socks
    And knowing what she will do next
    Just starts to cry

    Too many small suggestions ending in angry questions
    from her dad
    Too many TV dinners and everyone loves a winner
    But she was lost
    No one knows the trials she had

    In the shelter
    In the morning as the sun was brightly beaming
    I heard her cryin’ out what is it all about
    I just don’t know
    But I can’t go back home

    Lord I just don’t know but I can’t go back home”

    Makes one wonder, but at the cost of concert tickets these days, I don’t go to them.

  92. Ron June 27, 2006 7:24 am

    Jimmy Buffett, forgot the last ‘t’

    Jimmy Buffett owns Berkshire Hathaway stock. That’s about as close as they get to being related.

    http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB111499430393921759-o_TvRvWzw3ZIss2VY6ZUncZK5jE_20060531.html?mod=rss_free

  93. the stranger June 27, 2006 5:43 pm

    Clearly, this blog is getting long-on-tooth. I started to mention that myself a-ways back. Still, the only parts that bore me are my own; and I can live with that. We’ve been all over the place (can’t stick to a subject even if I get to pick it). But, since we’ve been to hell and back – I want to jump back to the financial scene; the Bull, Not bull tradition.

    Tomorrow and the next day (28&29) is the FOMC meeting. I think it is a really big deal. The interest rate on the 10 Year Treasuries have been falling since the early eighties; from over15% to below 5%. Now, after decades, the trend has reversed and the Fed really can’t control this aspect of the market. Mainstream consensus is .25% hike (or even .5%).

    As I stated earlier, my guess is a pause. It’s hard to imagine a rate hike without die consequences; or a drop either for that matter. What do you think TPTB have planned? What are the consequences? What are the contingencies? …any thoughts, even though the meeting is already upon us?

  94. FeelingWeird June 28, 2006 8:43 am

    CORNHUSCKER SAID:

    “”"Not anymore though…all that matters is my relationship with God, my family, my friends, and laughing & smiling.”"”

    Not a truer passage has been written on this Blog, and there has been a LOT OF TRUTH on this blog.

    It’s funny how different people can come to the same conclusion given enough information and time. I have no idea where Corn comes from or what his past looked like. But if I had to guess, if the two of us were lined up next to each other 5 years ago, two people would have never looked so different. But after years of study, too many sleepless nights wondering about this politician or that policy, or that political party, I have come to the conclusion that is best summed up, in the passage above.

    It’s not that I DON’T CARE!!! On the contrary, I have cared more and thought more about the problems that plague this world and country, than most anyone I know. Yet here I am, with these thoughts.

    When i get ready to leave work in about 4 hours, I will walk out the door and turn my head to the sun(if it’s there?!?), and thank God that I have what I have. My boys are healthy, my wife loves me, and I am alive right now!!

    This doesn’t mean I have washed my hands of humanity or the world. It just means I’ve accepted the fact that God has blessed(cursed) me with a task(no God doesn’t talk to me, it’s just a thought). The task is to be prepared. And to me preparation is in the form of teaching people about the evils of debt, how to live a more simple life(that’s hard!!), and hopefully I will soon learn to teach people to be more self reliant, while growing a REAL community. Because none of us will get through this alone. That is the lesson of peak oil and the tough times that are to come. RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMUNITY!!!! I am purposefully living a life that is harder than those around me. Which is not to say I’m some martyr. I live a life of pure waste as much as the next person. But I’m learning a different way now. It just takes a LOT OF TIME to get there. I figure if I get there first, it’s my duty and obligation to help those behind me get there also.

    For some of you, it may be teaching people how to view money. Gold is the ultimate answer to our problems, fiat money creation isn’t. I learned that from many a poster on this board. For some of you, it may be an appreciation of Jimmy Buffet ?!?…lol Point being, is that we all have an obligation to be ready. If things go the way most on this board feel it will, there will be masses of confused and angry people. Those people will be ripe for the picking. But who will pick those people??? Will it be all of us, or will it be someone else? I think you can fill in the blanks on that one..

    If I haven’t said it before, Thank you for this website.. I have never found a blog quite like this one. Anyways I will end this soap box editorial with these words (not mine)..

    “”"Not anymore though…all that matters is my relationship with God, my family, my friends, and laughing & smiling.”"”

    Stay POSITIVE, Stay in THE FIGHT, ENJOY YOUR LIFE!!!!

    Robert NW Ohio

  95. FeelingWeird June 28, 2006 8:51 am

    Stranger;

    In response to your last post about whether they pause, raise .25 or .50. I think they will raise .50 for this reason. It will give them some wiggle room. They can placate both the pause-o-holics, as well as the inflation crowd. And I see it this way. The market will take a HUGE 2 or 3 day hit, possibly as much as 3-5%. But this will be big for the bond markets and at the same time, knock gold down again(probably retracing all the way back to 525 again). They can say in their statement that this is the long awaited pause everyone has waited for. After the initial blow off and panic, the talking head(the BS Part of, how can you tell if it’s BS), will talk up the fact that they are going to pause(with caviats of course).

    Chances are they pause at the next one, and then I’d bet the farm they continue the raises. So basically they build 2 raises into one meeting, it’s a clasic BS move..

    Robert NW Ohio

  96. 4321bob June 28, 2006 11:13 am

    Why does this bunch of UN-ELECTED men spend ages deciding to raise or not rasie quarter point, a base rate that they should not control.

    All rate should float on an international market and that would put and end to this nonsense.

    See aricle:
    http://www.gold-prices.biz/the-excitement-is-under-whelming/

    4321bob
    http://www.gold-prices.biz

  97. cornhusker June 29, 2006 7:34 am

    Look at the quarterly revenue growth on this one. What do you guys think? Should I invest in this company?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=AMEN

  98. bp June 29, 2006 2:56 pm

    FeelingWeird, I think a lot of us posting here are trying to live a simpler, more self-reliant life that disengages from the corporate, predator capitalism in this world - do you have any links you find useful that you can share - check this one - http://www.bettertimesinfo.org/alllinks.htm.

    I especially like Wendel Berry’s essays in Community (whole systems) as they relate to working toward a “peaceful economy”.

  99. Ron June 29, 2006 6:44 pm

    During and after the second world war, Germans who owned gold and silver did not have to suffer the consequences of the fall of the third reich. they were more prepared. silver at 10 bucks is a bargain.

    land is better.

    shakespeare said it long ago: “Neither lender nor borrower be.”

  100. barter this June 30, 2006 4:02 am

    Well I was hoping that the minimun wage would be raised so that the when we started inflating our way out of this mess that those making more money would have more to spend on that loaf of bread. I quess NOT…But congress did manage to give THemSELVES a pay raise. Deep down in the crap they had to vote on was found this small little paragraph of a pay raise….GO FIGURE. Any way, It just goes to show that there is not a hairs difference between the Red and the Blue. THere needs to be a third party not affilated with the these two…Old Glory needs another, The WHITE group, some call for a purple group. I personally think they’re already two sides of the same coin.

    As far as Buffett goes…I love Margaritta Ville…Lazing around on the beach with an umbrella over head, listening to the waves rolling on to the beach, just touching my toes. The ocean so blue it makes you want to cry. A few puffy clouds floating overhead and a long cool drink in my hand. Nothing of the outside world, just me, my man and a blanket waiting…
    Is that too much wishing? Oh Well…

  101. qrswave July 1, 2006 3:36 pm

    wow. you guys have been busy!

    “all that matters is my relationship with God, my family, my friends, and laughing & smiling.”

    I concur. But, I’d like to make one observation. You can fit a whole lot of responsibility into “my relationship with God.”

    If you can take care of your own, be happy (i.e., content), and do what you can for others, then you’ve lived a life well lived.

  102. khill July 6, 2006 7:20 pm

    This fits my thoughts on a massive human die off: Is a Global Killer Lurking in China?
    Rick Ackerman
    Friday, Jul 07

    Excerpt from the current Rick’s Picks (website).
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    Although I have taken few steps personally to prepare for a possible bird flu pandemic, I have several friends who have been diligently attending to this grim task. One is a childhood pal from New Jersey who has been stockpiling food and water while attempting to round up a supply of Tamiflu and other medications, including herbal remedies whose use dates back to Roman times. Another, Erich S., is a long-time pen-pal and subscriber who has re-ordered his life so that he can learn all there is to know about the remarkably deadly virus and the steps needed to prepare properly for its onslaught, which he sees as inevitable.

    I cannot judge whether Erich is too close to the facts to assess them dispassionately. I could have assured you confidently in 1999 that Y2K would be a bust, but that’s only because I made my living for two years interviewing people in a position to prevent the computer glitch from overwhelming the world’s machinery. This time around, I’m as clueless as nearly everbody else. I simply haven’t been able to find time to learn all that is known about the H5 virus.

    But I can nonetheless vouch for Erich’s discernment, intelligence and diligence, as well as his essentially skeptical nature. He and a group of friends are on a virtual Red Alert, convinced that a global panic is close at hand. For my part, I must confess to having avoided even contemplating so dark a scenario as he envisions, one with billions of virus-related deaths in the offing. My own deflation scenario is about as much doomsday thinking as I can handle. Unlike the prospect of an avian-flu pandemic, it is something I can get a handle on.

    I have received regular dispatches from Erich, of which the one below is the most recent. I present it herewith, not to frighten you but to stir you to act as you might deem necessary to protect yourself and those closest to you. The subject header on Erich’s message was:

    Something Is Very Wrong

    “My thoughts on SARS are getting a bit crowded, so there’s some things to say. Something is very wrong in all of this. I’m just gonna lay out some facts. Prior to 1997 (aka the “technology boom”) it was impossible according to all scientific doctrine for an H5 to enter a human host, any strain thereof, any virulence. That has all been proven wrong. Prior to April last year, it was impossible according to all scientific doctrine for a highly pathogenic H5 to enter any host and not utterly decimate it. That changed when H5 befriended the migratory bird population in its most highly pathogenic form. This virus is now everywhere in Southern Asia. Endemic in the poultry across Indonesia. Secreted in poultry droppings in poorly vaccinated chickens all across China. Every day there are new animal and human infections. A smoldering inferno of mammalian contagion.

    “Missiles are being launched from North Korea. Is this a diversion from a lab in South China making weapons grade virus gone horribly awry?! Consider this. The CDC and WHO are a broken record when it comes to H5’s spread, chanting the mantra: the victim had contact with an infected bird. There is now mounting evidence that no such contact can be established! Worse, maybe there never was a poultry connection going back to 2003 – years, now. Speculation is moving into the field of insect spread and contaminated drinking ladles. This is shaping up to be a grand lie on a grand scale masking a human spreader incubant. Truly horrifying!

    Information Withheld

    “Really scary stuff. To continue: No sequences of H5 are being released at all, to GenBank or any other public domain. There is a letter from a Dem and a Rep circulating to pressure Leavitt to release all strains within the Department of Health and Human Services. It is a publicly funded entity after all.

    “I learned today where the sequences reside. The CDC is front-running the collection of said sequences and they are being deposited in a data base at Los Alamos National Laboratory, privy only to a subset of flu laboratories known as the Gang of Fifteen. With what I have learned recently of SARS and the highly pathogenic coronavirus behind it, I am astounded to say the least. It seems undeniable that something very big and very bad is happening. The only reason for these sequences being held in trust, unlike any and all others to date — ever, is that the implications, if exposed, would plunge the planet into chaos. Dr. Lee’s untimely death is an indictment. Also, in the magazine Nature there is an article claiming that these viruses swap genetic material far more easily than what the establishment would have us believe. No kidding! I said that long ago, but now I fear that this is at best a case of Mother Nature’s wrath and at worst, an accidental or planned release.

    SARS Roots

    “SARS brought it all to light for me. The same names I’ve been investigating in Southern China on H5N1 — the most powerful virus known to man, now killing 80% over in Indonesia — is right along side SARS. The SARS virus, coronavirus named SARS-CoV, is a lethal human killer. What are the odds that the two most dangerous viruses known to man, which kill exactly the same way (airborne, deep-lung necrosis) having come from exactly the same geography? No corona like SARS has ever been observed in the wild.

    “There’s more. SARS was a cover up. The Chinese reported 22 infections when now there is documentation of thousands (one reason why I never paid close attention!). Indeed, SARS hit 29 countries, infected more than eight thousand and killed ten percent, an unusually high case/fatality ratio. The planet dodged a bullet and containment came in four breath-holding months — and not before the phenomenon of the “superspreader” (airborne, human-host carriers) took the virus to four continents in two days. Two days. SARS-CoV on March 9, 2003, was labeled a “novel pathogen,” distinct from all known human pathogens. How did it come to be?

    Down in Guangdong

    “Something is very wrong in Guangdong Province. It’s spreading all over and the government is stomping on the story and all reliable statistical reference. I believe we are marching down a path to destruction. SARS infected 29 countries. It was so deadly and spread so fast, the Chinese built a full service hospital in eight days, using 7,000 workers. But it clustered in the medical workers, and all doctors and nurses refused to go into work. H5 is now in 54 countries, 16 in the past three months, and spreads across state borders within these countries by the day. SARS infected the mammal population, masked-palm civets, raccoon-dogs, Chinese ferret badgers, on and on, same as H5 is doing right now, using the same lung receptor, binding technology.

    “Listen to me. Any day now the markets are gonna tank. There are big players who must be seeing what I am. Indeed, I am astounded by the brain-wringing going on right now to preserve paper fortunes behind Wall Street’s closed door. I’m coming across article after article, prescription after prescription, no one can pull out because the markets are so precarious already. Our new Treasury Secretary in his own words: “My job is to enforce the law.” He is cop. Myopic. Machiavellian. Extremely dangerous. A big club who got his position with Wall Street dirt and Main Street corruption before anyone even voted.

    “There’s more to this story. But something is very wrong in South China. And we’re all gonna pay the price if this one jumps, if it hasn’t already, because a superspreader of H5N1 would literally kill 75% of the population, if not more than that, and in a very short time. When you go symptomatic, you have less than ten days to live. Period. And you’re telling me this came from Nature? Incredible. Erich.”

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  103. barter this July 7, 2006 11:01 am

    Well Personally…
    I want to know what is really going on in the world. I don’t want to hide my head in the sand. I have had people tell me that there is nothing that can really be done, so why bother? Well, maybe there isn’t alot we can do, but there is always SOMETHING that can be done.

    People just shrug and say, “Oh well”. With a deer in the headlights look on their face.

    If you dumb down long enough, eventually you will get exactually what you want and I believe this government has just about acomplished this… ‘the dumbing down of America theory’ has just about been acomplished.
    “I live to pay my bills…not even, ‘I live to play or I play to live anymore’, just I need to make enough to pay…
    Today the president was on the TELLy, it is funny to watch all that sawdust fall from his mouth.
    IT TAKES TIME to do all these things. “IT Takes TIME to get everyone on the same page, to sweet talk, bribe, and threat.” (my words not his)… LOL

    It is the same old story line….

    I have been doing alot of thinking on the illegal-alian problem.
    I have come to the conclussion that if we were to hold the Mexican government accountable, we would have less of a problem with the invasion. These people are coming over here to make from 6 to 14 dollars an hour, when in their home country they may make 1 dollar an hour. These people have over come great obsticales just to get here. Their lands are in a terrible drought,or being taken over by large ranches or by larger corporations such as Walmart.

    Telling someone that you have to provide this for me at my price or I will not buy it…ok, but if that person is makeing pennys aday, and a large conglomerant like Chinamart to tell you that you HAVE to do this my way or no way, well…I say go &*#%!!!! yourself. Walmart is the greatest threat to this country, by threatening their suppliers to come off their prices or lose their contract, and the price could be as low as ONE RED CENT…a single penny.
    As far as Iraq goes. I have found some interesting reading about us NOT wanting Iraqs oil to get out into the market. If it really supplied all that it had to sale the world market would be flooded with oil, and the oil ty-coons don’t want that do they? This way we have control of the oiless market and strutegic bases now in place to control the rest of the oil reserves as well as all the poppy gold we want….

    I am ranting I know…

    But, here is a well placed thought…

    “If you will not fight for the right,” he once growled, “when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
    –Winston Churchill

  104. barter this July 7, 2006 2:10 pm

    Oh no…say it ain’t so…Not Dick too.

    http://www.rense.com/general72/chenn.htm

    If this is true and I believe it to be true. Then we are all going to have to really tighten our belts and make DRASTIC changes, just to survive.

    Staying afloat or not staying afloat, now that is some choice this great government has given us.

    60,000 plants in 3 years TIME”s X amount of people (employees), now tell me how many jobs and how much money is that that has slipped right through our hands.

    If the mighty Bill Gates sees fit to turn ALL his money into EUROS and our own V.P. is investing in funds of the Euro persuasion, well you can bet that prez-puse and all his croneys are doing it as well. Between Rumsfeld owning most of the Tamiflu Vax. and him pushing for that you can bet there will be a flu epodemic….it is ALL WAG THE DOG.

    “MAKE IT HAPPEN…….”. That is their slogan…and let the rough end drag. Guess whos end will be doing the draggin.

    I know I have been on here alot, SORRY, but the disgust and frustration is starting to show.

    Barter

  105. the stranger July 7, 2006 3:57 pm

    …hadn’t had time to check in lately, got to take some time this weekend. But I think this is a good place for disgust and frustration. And speaking of Wag the Dog, I hear Lay died of a heart attack. I picture Kenny spouting “I’m not going down alone” and Robert DeNiro nodding his head…

    Read that article yesterday on Cheney’s portfolio too. So the leader of the free world isn’t stupid. Still, it’s not comforting having your darkest contentions confirmed.

    I typed into scroogle -
    “Guangdong Province” disease OR virus OR illness OR sickness
    - and was reading all kinds of bizarre articles; I’ll have to assimilate before comment. By nature, by man, or by fate, the logic to a massive human die-off is compelling as it is disturbing. I’ve been reading about pole shift lately; there’s a lot of data on this radical science perspective.

  106. Rabach July 9, 2006 10:33 am

    Let’s talk a little more about the H5N1 virus. The H1N1 virus was the original in the 1918 influenza outbreak. It just so happens that a fear years ago, I believe 2002, I had read an article on Yahoo news about them digging up bodies to isolate and collect the old 1918 virus.

    How about a theory, and this is just a theory so don’t attack my thoughts, on this whole bird flu problem. Think for a moment that it is true that the Fed’s are printing 2 trillion dollars. Perhaps it is true that the economy is already broken and being held up by the plummet protection team. Think real hard that during the tech boom and the now ending housing boom that all of our resources where be transported to other countries, mainly China. Consider that those two booms are to cover up the real economy and without them we would already be in a deep or great depression. Consider that the powers that be don’t have borders when it comes to world economic and financial power. With that in mind…

    The economy could be on a verge of a big collaspe. ‘They’ know it is going to happen and are putting it off. About the time when they can no longer hold it off suddenly the bird flu comes and ‘devastates’ the economy. It economical ruins the world. The after math is a mass consolidation of bankers, quite possibly a one-world currency. This currency isn’t paper or coins it is all plastic. This would allow them to fluctuate your spending power based on the country that you reside.

    To sum it up I see the bird flu as a purposeful thing created to fulfill the need of the NWO. Any thoughts on this?

    Rabach

  107. the stranger July 9, 2006 3:10 pm

    That seems plausible to me. And bird-flu pandemic is a great fall guy; although I think they have several waiting in he wings. If the airlines went under, blame it on restricted travel. The chronology can be rationalized/obscured after the fact.

    I figure that a powerful news virus, managing human to human evolution, would be devastating in today’s world. Any natural viruses however, are as likely to mutate as bird-flu; so I haven’t worried about it specifically, figuring it’s a canned cover. But khill’s contention is just as plausible. As a matter of fact, if so called bird-flu is already human to human, an escaped weaponised virus seems much more likely than natural evolution. This has been a fear of mine for a while. And the real deal could serve not only as blame for collapse; it could downsize excess (instantly obsolete) population.

    A pandemic is weird too, the way it grows. Each day after an explosion, for example, the event slips further into the past. With each new location of contagious outbreak, it moves exponentially into the future. If an outbreak death shows up in Chicago lets say, with an incubation period of fourteen days till death, then it has been in Chicago for a minimum of fourteen days already. Anyone and anything connected to Chicago in that time frame is suspect (how far has it traveled – where is it right now). That is to say, it really freaks people out.

    I also think its true, “the economy is already broken and being held up by the PPT” - perhaps other interests as well. Powerful entities, government / corporate / private, are battling it out. No single econo-theory works now and the international geopolitics seems a gigantic round of musical chairs. I can’t figure if there is a NWO or just that the people at the top are the ultimate survivalists.

  108. the stranger July 10, 2006 4:58 pm

    Good god Barter, I thought this was just a distraction…
    Lou Dobbs on the North American Union

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