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Creating the New World

Posted on October 11, 2006
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While we’re waiting around for the stock market to crash, the elections, or for Bush to bomb Iran and start WW3, let’s try to do something productive with our time. Let’s try to change the world.

Changing the world is a big job – so big in fact that most people think it simply cannot be done. As a result, many people feel overwhelmed – helpless and hopeless, and so they ignore the task. But like any big job, sometimes the hardest thing to do is just to get started. So, let’s get started.

If all goes well, the American people will vote for gridlock in the upcoming election, putting a Democratic House and Senate in place to thwart any more of Mr. Bush’s bright ideas. “The best government is a government that governs least,” said Thomas Paine.

While 1 in 2 Americans apparently feel that voting is a waste of time, I do not believe that any activity undertaken with earnestness and pure intention is ever a waste. It is the beginning of change, and by definition, beginnings lead somewhere. Gridlock is not the end, it is the beginning. It buys us time to come up with and implement some good ideas.

Take a look around you: Everything you see – your computer, the lamp, that pen, those books – everything began as an idea in one (wo)man’s mind. Ideas change the world – so there is no time to waste. The purpose of this exercise is to generate ideas about a better world.

Forget everything you know for a moment. Forget the very dis-empowering idea that nothing you can do will change anything – that the problems are too big, too hard, that the PTB have things all locked up and will never allow change to happen. Shut off the inner critic and instead, just imagine. Dream. Imagine you are a little kid again, and imagine the world that you want to live in. What would a just and peaceful world be like?

There are only a few simple rules in this exercise:

  1. Forget all limitations or how you would ever implement your ideas. We will get to that later. This is a brainstorming session.
  2. Participants can second (or third or fourth) the ideas of other’s (after all, good ideas are good ideas!) and build upon them, however,
  3. Criticism is strictly forbidden! VERBOTEN! Criticism includes statements such as “that is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard,” or “that will never work!” etc. You get the idea. This is a brainstorming session, and criticism kills.
  4. The more the merrier! This is the internet – for goodness sake – it is the global brain!
  5. Have fun! Life is full of fun.

Next time we’ll sort through the ideas – but that is next time. After that, we’ll brainstorm about how to implement some of the ideas, but that is next, next time.

Looking forward to the ideas!
Michael Nystrom

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123 Comments so far
  1. Aaron October 11, 2006 8:03 am

    How about a system of staple food roduction that reduces oil consumption by up to 200 litres per hectare? I introduce te Australian sandalwood nut:

  2. dud October 11, 2006 8:28 am

    How about bicycles for public use available all over the place.Pick one up, go where you want.Park it for someone else.So many basic bicycles are thrown away every year we could have a huge public supply in no time.Not worth stealing because they’re cheap and available.How many short trips would you make on a bicycle if you didn’t need to lock it up and worry about theft.

  3. muleskinner October 11, 2006 9:07 am

    Reminds me of Firesign Theater’s ‘Everything You Know is Wrong.’

    All kidding aside, effective change can happen.

    “A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” - Margaret Mead

  4. will October 11, 2006 9:09 am

    End lobbying.

  5. Rick October 11, 2006 9:28 am

    Here are my two ideas:

    1) “Make a law take a law”- For every new law passed one must be repealed.

    2) Random Representation - Representation by lottery. Every one who signs up for the lottery is eligible. 6 year terms. One term limit.

  6. Dave October 11, 2006 10:27 am

    This is what I do everyday. It’s a family tradition, well it’s cause my fam used to be vietnamese villagers. We’re strictly upper middle class here, so this is a choice we actively make.

    Bicycle to work everyday
    Bury organic garbage in the garden
    Grow our own set of vegetables
    Keep a worm bin
    Shop at the farmer’s market
    Hang clothes out to dry on the line
    Reread the Bill of Rights and the Consitution. Remember that’s the reason my family came here in the first place. Also reread the Writ of Habeas Corpus!!
    Always cook with the fam. Actually, that’s a strict requirement. I used to get my ass beat if I ever disobeyed mom when it came to cooking with the fam. Now, a lot older and more mature, I appreciate it a lot more.
    Visit the neighbors, who are Dominican, about once a week. Foster community
    Volunteer for a local non profit
    Don’t watch tv, or even go to the movies, except for certain ones, like V for Vendetta.
    Visit my friends, and constantly build relationships with people
    Share information freely
    We resuse more than we recycle.

    That’s my 2 cents. A lot of it is cultural, ’cause that’s what I’ve observed my family do growing up. Some of it is out of choice, like riding my bicycle everyday to work, errands, etc. Come to think of it, I’ve never owned a car in the last 12 years, and I plan to keep it that way. I only drive when I really really have to, like if the distance is greater than 25 miles.

  7. ronandreas October 11, 2006 10:54 am

    Share with all the knowledge that tv is propaganda. Study up on it a little first and make an effective case. Warmongering succeeds because people have faith in thier source ( PBS, NBC, NPR, FOX, whatever). If somebody quotes a MSM source let them know that it’s unreliable.

  8. Simian October 11, 2006 11:20 am

    Make voting days national holidays.
    Honor them as the holy days they should be. Maybe then more people would actually vote.

  9. tz October 11, 2006 11:38 am

    What would a just and peaceful world look like? A burned out cinder. Man is fallen so government is both necessary, yet the source of corruption, much as we need food, but the most nutritious and natural spoil the fastest. And when Nation-States fail, the result is barbarity, not a nice, friendly anarchocapitalism (go to LewRockwell.com and read if you don’t understand the term).

    Move election day to 4/15 and give free certified postage for any tax forms accepted at the polling places. The feast of the assumption is a holy day but not a holiday, nor would it be reasonable to profane such days by including the day of election as one of them. Yet the unionized and salaried personnel at the larger companies in Michigan get the day off. As to actually voting, I would like a choice between things which differ more than a Camaro and a Firebird. How much would really change if I vote for the Democrat v.s. the Republican? A binding “none of the above” where both candidates would be rejected and could not run in a followup race would be better.

    The world I would want to live in is where I could be left alone - as much or as little as I wanted, realizing that “being left alone” also means being left to my own devices if I need something like surgery or help with a conflict or even protection against those who would not leave me alone.

  10. dansite October 11, 2006 11:39 am

    People only learn from pain. Sad as this is, it means that the next few years will be a wonderful time of learning for America. It is therefore incumbent on the people who see the pain coming to be in a position to help provide leadership when the agony is deepest.

    The Nazis jumped on a similar opportunity in the hyper inflation of the late 20s in Germany. Maybe we can counter their inevitable re-rise this time around in America.

    That means taking every opportunity you can to tell the truth about these Nazi wannabes in the White House.
    Then be prepared to stand up for the dumb victims of the debt bubble. Become a vocal advocate for looking at the true source of pain created by the banks and the corporations. Stand up and express opinions in coffee shops, street corners, school meetings, church and the like. Suggest that local energy is needed to get through the coming crisis and that local energy will include those nice Vietnamese virtues above along with some good ol fashioned tar and feathers.

    Help empower people’s anger so they blame the image merchants who sold them the awful lies. Help people see through the lie they had to be very afraid of each other. Challenge the lie that they can calm their fears through mindless consumption. Help them see that happiness comes through communing with others, not in submersion in electronic stimulation.

    Much energy will be needed to help people connect after this awful train wreck. Be prepared to make yourself a helper.

  11. Turk October 11, 2006 11:41 am

    As I have written in the past I believe there is room for a minimalist lifestyle in the USA, without people having to become monks. It all starts with housing. There have been many housing developers key in on similar ideas with very small apartments, studio size and smaller. However I think there is room to go a big step further.

    I have lived in Korea and other places where people traditionally take up less space with their housing than Americans are used to. We have a lot of land space but in the interest of preservation I think it is time to offer a minimal, cubby hole type of dwelling to those who prefer it. There are cubby hole rest places in Japan and some other places where a person can check in for a while to rest. I propose cubby hole style minimalist housing that could be rented for no more than 25% of what a minimum wage worker makes in one month.

  12. Raunstar October 11, 2006 11:46 am

    I have a dream or a vision if you will:

    I visualize the National Debt being paid in Full. Every Citizen holds a job; inflation is a word of the past. I grow my own food, and I don’t kill or enslave animals to eat, this idea has become a popular past time for Americans. Where people help their neighbors, and HOAs are non-existent. Where Tolerence is practiced more than Religion, and Kindness is a way of life. Pay-It-Forward is the buzz phrase, and people compete to make the world a better more peaceful harmonious place. The word Hate is deleted from the dictionary and our language and is replaced with Patience and Tolerence. I dream, I hold this vision, of a world without fear, a world without anxiety. Hold this vision with me….All Manifestation begins with a vision.

  13. turtle October 11, 2006 11:47 am

    during elections we should have one extra line on the ballot. e.g. democratic candidate— republican candidate or_none of the above. it seems as though most votes go to inept candidates because they are perceived as being better than the truly awfull ones.

  14. Randy October 11, 2006 11:47 am

    abolish the FED
    ditto the IRS
    go back to “Common law” justice

  15. Randy October 11, 2006 11:55 am

    The national debt cannot be paid off as long as the FED exists, as every federal reserve note is borrowed from the FED, if the national debt was paid off, there would not be one “dollar” left in circulation.

  16. Peter October 11, 2006 12:10 pm

    Think of something that is not politics but that is from the people.

    What could this be? I don’t know, maybe an Internet page.

    An Internet page with pics of Americans that is put next to that of an Egyptian, Iraqi pic next to it, smiling. An American and an Iranian etc.

    Maybe someone else has an idea. Something we can just do, not something that politicians should do.

  17. Gordon October 11, 2006 12:32 pm

    Join the European Union and the single currency.

  18. Nobody October 11, 2006 12:32 pm

    Aren’t Peak Oil and global warming going to change the world no matter what we do?

  19. Nobody October 11, 2006 12:38 pm

    Gordon says:
    “Join the European Union and the single currency”.

    No need for that. Bush, Vincente Fox and the PM of Canada whose name just flew out of my head signed an agreement a while back for a North American Security sphere. It may be the precursor to a North American Union, with its own new currency, the Amero. So there’s your wish, after a fashion. I know I don’t like it, not at all. See, the idea of bigger and bigger governmental structures has a bad track record…

  20. Nobody October 11, 2006 12:39 pm

    We can all follow Goethe’s notion and “clean our own doorstep”; as the Vietnamese person up the thread suggested, we can take care of our famiies and neighbors, put our own affairs in order, do more with less, get out of debt, etc. and operate from the micro level. That has the added benefit of payoffs both seen and unseen right in our own lives.

  21. Gemstocks October 11, 2006 12:53 pm

    Make bribes given to elected officials taxable at 200%,100% from the person bribed and 100% from the briber (or bribor?).

    Limit campaign controbutions to $1,000 from each person and $1 from coporations.

    Give anybody caught violating these laws viagra (3 times daily) and lock them up with Congressman Foley for 5 years.

  22. Mike October 11, 2006 1:13 pm

    I agree, we should have the option of voting for NOTA. Then I would always have a reason to vote…now I will not waste my time if the only options are D’s and R’s, ie. the D and the R wing of the tyranny party.

    I also agree that the FED and the IRS must go…the Liberty Dollar is, here and now, working towards that end. Save yourself and your country, offer and accept Liberty Dollars.

  23. stevo October 11, 2006 1:38 pm

    A start for changing the world:

    A) Doug Henwood’s “Wall Street” claims that 2% of the American population owns more than 80% of the nation’s wealth. As globalisation proceeds, more and more wealth will accrue to the monied classes. The middle class is being demolished at an increasingly rapid pace. The monied classes control all of the major geopolitical trends and are leading the world into a new, high-tech feudalism. This can be reversed by promoting a more equitable distribution of wealth.

    1) Make death taxes confiscatory. This will level the playing field for each generation.
    2) Tax the foundations. Too much of their funds are spent upon social engineering projects of a crowd-control nature.
    3) Nationalize big oil. Their current behaviour — $400,000,000 CEO pensions at XOM and $30,000,000,000 quarterly profits — are obscene and unconscionable.
    4) Enact rigid term limits for politicians — two terms and out. Let these solons have to live and compete in the society which their laws have helped shape. Also, NO LIFETIME JUDGES!

    B) We are not moving inta a post-industrial world — just a self-inflicted, post-industrial society. Any economist who quotes Riccardo and refers to comparative advantage while advocating the free-flow of international capital should by skinned, tarred, feathered, branded a charlatan, and ridden out of town on a rail! Riccardo felt that comparative advantage would work when there was a real, two-way trade (on reasonably equivalent terms) and when capital surplussed would have to find further employment WITHIN THE NATION where it was surplussed. Globalisation, as practiced, merely results in wage arbitrage and “the race to the bottom.” This is not a sustainable system, since a collapsed worker class will ultimately have no funds with which to consume or otherwise support the good living of the overlords.

    1) Junk globalisation. Practice fair trade — not suicide by trade!
    2) Reindustrialise America. If not, manufacturing goes; engineering goes (the critical machine tool industry is now dead in America!); and any pretense to world leadership or importance follows.
    3) Disband the Department of Education. The standing of American students against others from industrialised nations is #8 overall, and #12 in mathematics! What a shameful, pathetic showing!

    C) A nation which does not control its borders is no longer a nation. Potential immigrants should suscribe to the values and traditions of the particular nation. Any nation which does not strive to be a melting pot, vis-a-vis immigration, will soon be Balkanised. The “clash of cultures” is real — past, present and future. Individuals from widely divergent cultures or creeds should be admitted only after careful consideration and in limited numbers.

    1) Reestablish borders for America.
    2) Do not favour admission of peoples with widely divergent cultures or creeds. I predict the first riots to establish “sharia” in certain enclaves in the US by no later than 2010. These riots are already occurring in London and Paris.
    3) Junk the CFR, UN, and IMF. These are socialistic, fronts for the monied class and create more discord in the world than harmony. (Ask anyone from the Balkans what they think about the UN peacekeeping efforts — all three sides are in accord that the UN mission was and is a disaster.)

    D) Read Murry Rothbard’s “The Mystery of Banking.” There is no reason why a free society should be undermined by a subversive, fractional reserve, fiat money banking system. Shame on those nefarious malefactors who established the “Federal” Reserve in 1913! Shame on FDR for engineering the largest monetary crime in history — the confiscation of the American public’s gold supply!

    1) Replace the FED with a “sound money” system. This is the only way to sound the death knell of constant inflation which benefits only the big debtors and promotes the viability of eternal government budget deficits.
    2) Retink and reorganize entitlement programs. Put people back to productive work. Erase the entitlement mentality.
    3) Establish a fair tax system which allows people to keep a large proportion of what they earn; but makes it impossible to transfer wealth in a dynastic manner.

    Unfortunately, big money rules and knows very well how to take care of and perpetuate itself and its holders. Any forseeable change is likely to be in the direction of coalescence of three huge, geopolitical megaliths; very limited personal freedom for the masses; and occasional, violent outbursts to serve as the adhesive bond.

  24. marketoracle.co.uk October 11, 2006 1:44 pm


    Were there is one citizenship, one common law. There would be little or no need for the trillion dollar defence spending.

    Resources would be more evenly allocated for the wellbeing of all areas of the globe.

    Travel, commerce and trade would be free and we would be much more prosperous than we are now.

  25. Ms. Oracle October 11, 2006 1:56 pm

    Great ideas everyone - implement and execute.
    1. Limit Congress to two terms.
    2. I agree to abolish the Federal Reserve.
    3. Establish armed forces for isolation protection of North America. Retreat and no more funding elsewhere.
    4. Military funds saved in #3 above put towards alternative energy and local food supply development.
    5. Pass laws to limit size of new housing. Mansions are sucking to much energy.
    6. Move to a flat tax. Those without children pay less. Overpopulation has truly affected everyone as loss of rules of etiquette, respect and responsible behavior creates the sloppy slob lazy gimme handout culture we find ourselves in.
    7. Reduce real estate taxes 50% to those without children.
    8. Believe in wisdom, harmony, peace when relating and in each transaction will carry humanity much further than “religion and its myths” ever will.

  26. Nappolita October 11, 2006 2:02 pm

    Dear Unseen People Who are Writing these Powerful Snippets,

    Second week on this newsgroup for me. Joined on recommendation of president of the Green Party local. *Not* what I expected. Received today’s discussion upon return from meeting at local community house where we were synchronistically researching a bicycle sharing system, with community garden sites & farmers’ markets as bicycle pick-up & drop-off points. Just like the second comment that was already submitted here! Re-localization is our goal, for food, renewable resources of power, shoes & toilet paper production. Build for human scale industry as urban replacements become critical, provide for closed-loop water system, waste recycling, valuable by-product creation designed into housing . Allow corporate empire to crumble from its karma. Take care of people, among other creatures. Protect your mind from popular de-sensitization program of main-stream media. Reassure youth that whatever is left of the world of the future belongs to them so that the environment will become visible.

    Most everything has already been beautifully said by you, so, sincere thanks to all writers. Add only one more: small or large scale, civilization needs Verifiable Instant Run-Off Voting, where none of the above can still be one of the choices, & then it may not be needed as often.


  27. Brett October 11, 2006 2:43 pm

    Several ideas to suggest:

    1) Support locally. Locally grown food, community currency, barter, walk or bike where you can.

    2) Get to know your neighbors.

    3) Shift power down to a closer level. From the Nation to the State to the County to the City to the Neighborhood. Flatten power structures as much as possible.

    4) Get rid of outdated or bad laws. Where there is conflict or ambiguity, simplify—and then simplify some more.

    5) Get rid of the car where ever possible. Redesign cities to the human scale. Same for energy useage. Tax energy wasters and provide incentives and help to upgrade to better energy efficiency. Look to EU for examples and advice. Examine ALL the ways EVERY energy source is subsidized. Favor the best LONG TERM forms with subsidies from lesser/worst forms.

    6) Make TV two-way or abolish it.

    7) Close as many militrary bases as possible. Get the best value for our tax dollar.

    8) People are out of work, so put them to SOME work. Help plant growing things, help someone learn a new skill, DO something!

    9) Voting should be a paid holiday! And a binding “None of the above” should be allowed. Going to proportional representation would be even better!

    10) Raise the minimum wage so that it is in line with *one* person earning enough for a family of four, like the 60’s to early 70’s and then index the income. Failing that, the wages of elected politicians should be scaled back to the ‘good old days’. In either case, future raises would be joined at the hip with the minimum wage.

    11) Term limits imposed and enforced! NO career politicians! That way those who made the laws will have to live under them.

    12) Shorten the election season. Fund elections from a common fund. NO extra money even their own!

    13) Make the candidates go on record in MUST DO debates! No ear bud prompts! They MUST talk about problem areas of general interests! NO ducking hard questions!

    14) Maybe a lottery selection for a term of office, subject to mental and physical suitability.

    15) Corporations NO LONGER have legal personhood!

    16) Polluters pay!

  28. 'Kiwi' from N.Z. October 11, 2006 2:47 pm

    Dear Michael;

    We have to ‘empower the people’ again; we have to give them back the need to be responsible and accountable; for too long we have abrogated our ‘natural’ rights and given them to a few people to manage, and we have called this ‘Governance by Democracy’.! Democracy is important as it is truly the way that we can all live harmoniously, but we need to make some radical changes to the way in which it operates and in the way in which we allow Representatives to put themselves forward. To start off with, in my humble opinion, we should only allow “Philosophers” to be the Representatives of the People. This is because by nature, Philosophers are completely selfless and non confrontational; they think not of themselves, but of others.!

    We also need to redefine and reward the “Wealth creators” in our Society.! Greater respect and acknowledgement needs to be given to those who create the Wealth and who pay the Taxes in our Society. Remember, you can only “pay taxes” when you have created a Profit in the first place through a range of wealth creative enterprises. The enormous and growing ranks of employed Bureaucrats employed by Government and State Agencies, do not pay taxes (even though to make them feel good it shows this on their pay slips), as they have received this Income from the Taxes paid by the Wealth Creators. This growing army of ‘parasites’ are by their very actions, ‘Wealth destroyers’ and create more harm than good for Society.

    For a harmonious Society, we need to make some massive changes to the way we operate our Democratic systems, and in the way that Society as a whole rewards innovation, entrepreneurship, Business risk management and development, and people who want to be successful.!

  29. bp October 11, 2006 2:48 pm

    hehe, cool #26 Nappolita - I too think re-localization is the way to survive what is coming. It’s a tough row to hoe, but it is important - along with creating “extended” families; re-establishing “trust” between people, where one’s as good as their word; capping CEO pay; and making the operation of government more “transparent”.

    It’s looking like getting involved locally may be very important for the future.

  30. timberwoof October 11, 2006 3:11 pm

    I support much of what has been previously said….

    I would emphasize:

    live intentionally in the world as if it were the one you want to live in

    perform intentional random acts of kindness each day

    a bona fide NOTA (none of the above) voting alternative is essential to overhaul the greed, power and corruption of our existing political system

    best to all………

  31. turk October 11, 2006 4:11 pm

    The number thing one we need is a new way to travel through our daily lives. Move the personal transportation system away from oil/gasoline to hydrogen. We have the technology, we just need investment. Save the fossil fuels for the heavy transports that need jet fuel and deisel fuel.

  32. Makia October 11, 2006 4:34 pm

    Run-off voting, IMHO, is far superior to “none of the above.” I don’t mean to criticize, but the run-off system can easily allow the creation of viable “alternative” parties in a single election cycle. I think that since in the dual party the “left becomes the right” and vice-versa, there’s no harm in “allowing” the current tyranny party to continue. Eventually the components of a system correct within a true free market. I would warn against, as I somewhat do in this post, a desire for a return to the guillotine.
    To expound on my previous point that “the left becomes the right,” I would encourage all of you with anger in your heart to let it go. What you hate you will become. What you fear you will attract. The bhuddist teaches that understanding and using this is the path out of suffering. I beleive that _personal responsibilty_ is the only path to salvation for any of us as individuals, and then all of us as a civilzation, in that order. Therefore anger and revenge are only self-destructive: in the case of blaming others for our problems (Bush, the FED, the liberals) we only detriment our ability to see our own power. (More on “liberal” and “conservative” identifications in a momment.
    In other words, stop “blaming” the Bush admin., the Nazis, the FED, the IRS, WTO, the liberals, the “neo-cons”, FTC, FDA, World Banks, the R’s, or the D’s for the state of affairs. Sure, I could sit here all day and make rational arguments about how our fellow citizens (of our community and the world) have been exploited and enslaved by said systems. I have in the past AND I STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST IT! Employ self-discipline and the principles of personal responsibility at ALL costs. Even when it damages your ego.
    The ego is not important, only life and family. To that end, I strongly encourage, for the peace of your life and your family, to place the state of _your_ affairs as _your_ responsibility. My life is hard. I am poor. My wife and children are poor. You can beleive me or not, but all of this is true. Part of our circumstance can be easily attributed to our choices, and part can be attributed to poor fiscal policies of the afore mentioned mega-organizations. But I walk with love and peace in my heart, for I’ve learned (in sometimes ego crushing lessons) that blaming others, whether they are near or far removed influences, has only caused me pain and has clouded my ability to use my own powers in my day-to-day life. How many opportunities did I completely miss because my mind was greatly occupied with blame or anger? I don’t have any regrets, but it is best to learn from your mistakes.
    One final point. I don’t want to criticize previous posts in my post, but I must warn those who would redistribute wealth or socialize industries or institutions. The problem with today’s situation is that if you want to place blame for mass exploitation, using the priniples of personal responsibilty, then some blame lies in the hands of the systems such as FED, World Bank, WTO, FTC, D’s and R’s, global corps., etc., but how much blame lies on the ignorant masses?
    I’ve noticed quite painfully that these anonymous “masses” are actually my parents, my brothers and sisters, just about every friend and co-worker I’ve ever had and cared about. Somehow, _I_ managed to seek and find “truth.” The ugly truth. But I’ve noticed quite painfully that no matter how I try and bring up “inconvenient truths”; that we need to live responsibly, to eat well (at least try), not rely on pharmeceuticals to make us healthy, not live outside our means, not take our families for granted, that there is a fundamental dysfunction with chooing between “the lesser of two evils” - these people have basically said, “I know, but. . .”
    You can see why hatred for some far away construct like The Bush Administration is a gross miscalculation for effective use of personal power. Socialism, or even just taking from the haves and giving it to the have-nots creates lazy people, before or after it creates gross corruption. If we don’t like Big Oil, we shouldn’t buy its products and encourage others to do the same. If others don’t feel it’s important, then what else can you do? Put the power in someone elses Big Hands? The left will only become the right. Until the millions of decisions by millions of people change, there is little an individual can do except make that one decision that he and she is responsible to make. But that decision that YOU make changes YOUR life, and your family’s lives, and THAT is the true meaning of human existence. Be responsible for yourself, and your family, your immediate community, and you will have found the deep happiness and satisfaction the “the masses” say they are looking for.
    I beleive that we can all have peace, but before that we must all choose peace. Very few people I’ve ever met, be they “conservative” or “liberal” say want any kind of violence in the world. But by and large their actions do not indicate a search for peace either. Today, most (self-defined) “conservatives” want war on islamo-whatevers (for peace). The (self-defined) “liberals” want war on the neo-whatevers (for peace). I see some of that thinking in the previous posts.
    I deeply beleive in the importance of the stated objective of these posts. That is why I’ve written today and why I can’t help but offer some suggestions, if not criticism, for previous posters. My desire for world peace is practically molded around the suggestions of focusing on family and local community (I like “localization” instaed of “globalization”, think about it.), and also affected by the practical beleif that just because I choose peace doesn’t mean that everyone else in the world, or even my neighborhood, has made those same priorities.
    Spiritually I beleive that I can only lead by example; and my example should always be to give no credence to feelings of blame or revenge, but support all manifestations of personal responsibility. Intellectually I beleive that modern culture is almost devoid of a practiced spirituality. Live within your means. Take personal reponsibilty. Ask, but do not demand, that others do the same. Expect that for at least a couple generations, not everyone will. Encourage systems and a culture that promotes personal responsibility for this reason - a culture that does not promote greed, and also does not promote laziness.
    This, in my estimation, is a much simpler and yet much more diverse culture than the one we have now. Be prepared for that because hopefully, in this man’s mind, this simpler and simultaneously richer culture is inevitable. In the interim, our collective definition of “poor” and “rich” will be greatly modified.

  33. PB45 October 11, 2006 5:31 pm

    Yes all necessities of life are needed to continue a stable moral society. Food production, abundant clean water and decent housing all depend on an unpolluted environment. The bottom line for all these needs are ENERGY. TPT-BE, have dilerberately bought up, ignored any rivals to OIL which is our primary yet polluting energy source.
    May I try to enlighten some of our posters today that a real alternative is available, but has been shunned by govt to further their ends of wealth accumulation and eventual world people control. Power loves to control whether it means war and destruction.
    Dr. Tesla discovered a simple source in 1889 of energy OUTPUT that requires a miniscule INPUT. Those that are unaware should know of this source and promote it’s immediate employment. I invite any patriotic individual to due his/her best in furthering it distribution and usage.
    The following site explains it’s discovery and subsequent independent rediscoveries by 3 genius inventors. It is now being employed in Switzerland in a small way, but is limited to one reclusive Christain society in Linden at present. The Web is short and to the point:************************************** http://www.wanttoknow.info/radiantenergy **********
    *************************************************** /Peter

  34. Mike October 11, 2006 5:36 pm

    Run-off voting can only work if we can somehow get the tyranny party to allow others on the ballot without jumping over impossibly high hurdles…until then NOTA is necessary.

  35. ChemicalGal October 11, 2006 5:50 pm

    What I would like to see change about our Government.

    1. Salaries reduced to Mid Middle income wage. (So they will understand the people) (And they would really have to want to serve to take the job) No other income/gifts allowed during service or subject to immediate dismissal.
    2. Retirement is Social Security (like the rest of us) Want to see how fast it gets fixed.
    3. Health Care is the same as ours and they pay for it just like we do.
    4. They MUST READ THE BILLS completely before they sign and the bill must be available to the people for 30 days prior to it being voted on.
    6. We go back to the Constitution and get rid of the crap.
    (if something you do hurts you and no one else….it should not be against a law)
    7. We balance the budget and then reduce the budget by making the Federal Government smaller and give control back to the States.
    8. Bring our soldiers home. Maintain Diplomatic Relations with other countries only. Have a Strong State Militia that must meet & train at least 1 weekend per month and everyone must be part of it.
    9. Make it attractive to Buy American and bring our manufacturing back to the United States.
    10. Support our people who need help but on a local and charitable level, where they are known to avoid the Welfare system we now have. Otherwise, no work … no help.
    11. Work towards abolishing the Federal Reserve by making alternative currencies acceptable as legal payment (ie: gold/silver or other locally acceptable items)

    On a community level.
    1. Have areas for people to get together and grow vegetables, chickens & rabbits, maybe goats. sheep & cows.
    everyone who wants to participate must participate in the duties. Extra could be sold for extra income for the participants.
    2. Have a local barter system to get work done or can pay for it if can afford it too.
    3. Start a local reduced cost food/clothing warehouse for people who are in lower incomes to help supplement.
    4. Have local neighborhood meetings, have someone you choose to speak for you. They would take your wants/requirements/needs to thier city councilman to present at City Council meetings
    City Council would present to State Governor.
    5. Have local businesses again where you could walk to store or ride bike.

    Basically, bring back the old neighborhoods.
    Anyway, that’s just some thoughts of what I’d like to see happen.

  36. Thomas October 11, 2006 6:13 pm

    Be aware of what is really going on so then you will not be easily manipulated and then focus on what you really want, not on what you do not want. So for example be aware of what is going on in Iraq but then focus on peace and the truth being revealed. Each of us need to take back our God given power to create the type of world we really want, then things will really start to change but it first has to start with oneself. So light a candle, do not curse the darknes, as anything we are strongly for or against we give power to. It all starts with oneself, as each one of us makes that shift then there will be a shift in the world around us as we each are a lot more powerfull then we even know, but first find out what is real and true as the truth will set one free. So do not listen to and watch the mainstream media like fox news find out the truth for yourself do not give ones power away to the so called experts or authorities as they have there own agenda.

  37. zephyr October 11, 2006 6:40 pm

    This is a tough one, therefore my long time responding. I haven’t read through all the responses, maybe half…..I will get through them all. Some are silly, some are serious.

    1) We need some sort of universal health care. I understand doctors need to make a living, after all, my brother is a doctor. But something needs to be done. By the same token, we can’t have immigrants or irrespossible Americans refuse to pay any bill when they hit the emergency room….it’s unfair.

    2) I like the the old biblical idea of forgiving debts after a certain period of time. Yes, it can be abused, but we can’t have people be indentured servants for life.

    3) Elections need to be opened up to more than just the rich and privileged. Real debates, like during the Lincoln era, need to be brought back.

    4) You need to pass a basic test in order to vote.( No imbeciles please)

    This is just a start…..I will continue to ponder.

    I went to a town meeting tonight in Ct where Republican candidate Alan Schlesinger spoke to us. I was very vocal, actually, next to Schlesinger, I had more to say than anyone. Funny, in this case, I may support the Repub. After all, there’s a reason his own party is shitting on him and kissing Lieberman’s ass (who I used to support). Sounds like he may be moderate…..then again, he may have been trying to placate the vociferous knucklehead in attendance. At least I’m trying…..more to come.

  38. Daniel Rose October 11, 2006 6:44 pm

    Our problems stem from the human condition. We are relatively dumb. We are too overworked to be able to educate ourselves to get the big picture. We don’t live long enough with good enough smarts to understand the big picture for the most part. We are poorly educated as young children, brought up in a illusionary world of Santa Clause and Jesus Christ. Many do not leave this illusion as adults.

    But, the really big problem is, we let the bullies of the world rule the world. That is the problem. One has to first state the problem before we can solve it. Our rulers, most of whom remain unseen and unknown, are of a psychopathic mind set. They are not empathic toward their fellow humans but feel superior selfcentered and greedy. And, the problem may go beyond that. The numerology and symbology of this world hint that we are in the final analysis, not ruled by humans, but of higher level entities that may appear in human form. Do we not live in a multidimensional world, but we are (trapped) in 3D physical bodies? We know of the spirit world. We know of the aliens, at least from those who claim to be abducted by them. These are genuine people, although their stories are subject to interpretation. But most of us live our lives within our bodies and the senses it contains. Most of us are not aware of other parts of creation directly. WE may be ruled from other dimensions, or being capable of easily crossing dimension. And, these impact down through associations to for the most part psychopathic leaders of human form and function.

    So, we are ruled by psychopaths, who may not know precisely where they get their marching orders from. People like George Bush and Dick Cheney come to mind as those at the observable level of leadership. How do we prevent this? And, how do we do this on a world wide scale? To do this in only one country is asking for our heads to get kicked in. Leadership is on a world wide basis, thiis is clear. We do not need a One World Government ladies, it is already here, and may have been for practical purposes been for all of recorded history.

    The only way for humans to rule themselves is to screen everybody for signs of psycopathy and related/relevant traits from an early age. Such people must be marked in such a way that they could never become leaders of anything politically important. I have no idea if this is feasible. But, it is so important in my mind, every other thing is doomed to fail if we do not recognize faults in human behavior which will sidetrack any other efforts we try. They are born leaders, but not good leaders, they are bully and slick Willie type leaders. They like to lie, execute and torture people. Know any politicians like that? Those who know say that psychopaths represent something like 1% of the population. In the US, that would be about 3 million people. I am not saying that would solve all of our problems but it is a hell of a start. But, I repeat, this must be recognized world wide. Otherwise, there is going to be war against any nation that is ruled by peaceful type people.

    Maybe in the last analysis, humans are basically on a slave planet, ruled in secret by higher entities. If that is the case, there may not be a whole lot we can do except try and see what happens.

    I do not believe in evil. There has to be two sides or more to any situation. Perhaps the perceived evil is here to wake us up to the fact that we are not pushing back hard enough. We are not learning the lessons we need to learn. We are not making enough mistakes. To see in black and white, there needs to be a contrast. That is probably why we are here and not in heaven, where people are segregated and where protocol rules, and where telepathy prevents any secrets. Or something like that. We have only the foggiest glimpse of what the spirit world is really like. I do not trust the reports like NDE’s, because it is clear that we are not supposed to know. And what can be revealed is strickly limited, and may be largely false. The only part I buy into, is that there is a spirit world, and we are a part of it.

    So, if the big picture includes a need to depopulate the planet to ensure survival of a few, is a big war to accomplish this evil? We may not like it, but the big picture may dictate the need. You see, we are so far from seeing the real BIG picture, that we can hardly comment. We are just humans. The idea that we are here as a learning exercise to learn to love is very appealing to me. One problem is that love is kind of undefined. If we do not have a large enough picture of things, we may not know what the real loving thing to do is. It may be just the opposite of what we think is a loving thing to do. What the Chinese are doing in their country, limiting population growth and keeping a tight lid on things may be a very loving thing to do in many respects. We may not be ready for real freedom. Imperfect order may be preferable to chaos. Of coarse, there is a lot to not like too, I agree, but. Then, too, it may be very hard for a non-psychopath to make the hard decisions necessary to be in rational with the BIG picture. Not impossible, just very hard. In theory, improvements in people would be on the agenda of any rational government to move toward a more intelligent and loving type “new human”. But, are we as humans really capable of handling that type of path? This is the delima.

    The origional leaders were priests. They were psychopaths, too. So, don’t put any stock in religion, if you know what I mean. And, you will observe that there is a Jesus Christ (or Krishna or Budda or name your poison) presented often on the other (spirit) side to confirm our beliefs on this side, so as to not shatter our illusions. Kind of gives you that real fuzzy feeling inside when you consider the possible implications of this.

    Anyway, that is my take on things. I believe Democracy is just a veneer government covering over the true hidden government, and always has been. So is communism a veneer. The hidden government typically resides outside the country being governed.

    The ideal government would have hopefully 50% of the adult population so capable and educated, that the government would be elected by a totally random, rotating lottery system. This prevents most of the cronyism and graft (hopefully) that are present in our current system. And, the ability to make laws outside an existing constitution, would be fairly limited. The law should be simple and well defined, so that people could know it and defent themselves with it. We do not need libraries full of law books i should hope. Most of the people currently locked up in our jails are are not there for what they did to others, but what they did to themselves. This is stupid.

    Well, enough for now. I think I conveyed the bulk of the thoughts I wanted to convey. We as humans need to see our limitations. We need to recognize the probability of higher powers / intelligencies being active in human affairs but out of sight. I do not pretend to know all the answers. I assume that like the rest of us, I am limited in my perceptions of reality, and as a result, cannot make totally rational conclusions. We are all a little insane down here, folks. All i am saying is to keep the obvious trouble makers among us down on the farm. And, keep things simple. We don’t need a lot of politics. We need a lot of love, whatever that is.

  39. surfdude October 11, 2006 7:00 pm

    If everyone just took responsibility for their own actions, provided for themselves and thier families, and worked hard, stayed out of debt and cared for others the world would be fine. Imagine - nobody trying to rip off their neighbor, flirting with your wife, or feeling entitled to get something for nothing. Kumbaya.

    Yeah right! It’ll never happen! Ever since our first parents Adam and Eve disobeyed the Creator, we are all fallen. People have been trying to control, opress and take advantage of one another since that day forward. Do you think that fallen mankind can pick himself back up and live in harmony once again? You are beleiving the same lie that Adam believe, “…you can be like God”.

    The most important and hardest thing each of us can do is be prepared (and that means mentally and spiritually too) when the whole thing comes crashing down. Sound fatalistic? In the big picture it is hopless, but individually we can be protected.

  40. Alan October 11, 2006 7:09 pm

    Although the optimism and vision of youth have ceded to cynism and apathy of late-midlife labeled ‘pragmatic realism’ I’m re-energized by the endless spring of hope in the prose of 38 souls. A vote may not change the world, but the widespread apathy of not voting gives presidents with 38% of the popular vote the justification to consider the people have decreed a “mandate” to the monarch, so let’s at least let them know we are paying attention…

  41. larry October 11, 2006 7:15 pm

    i am no trekee…however,the question raised on this thread is implying that we explore what a utopian society or world would feel like…my vote goes to the star ship enterprise world….yes,they face demons, but these are always external or alien to the social order of their creation…in contrast,we face demons from within our own so called society…translation,our world is in disorder due to those very systems we fight about and over…our systems seem to serve as amplifiers of discord and disorder rather than as dampeners and enablers of reason…this then is interpreted as the normal human condition…then politicians study this condition that they help create so they may better be equiped to deal with the conflict and caos they choose to rule….a cycle of endless reactive thinking…virtually eliminating any space for creative thinking….so,instead of politicans reacting to their human charge,maybe they should look to removing themselves from the process and explain to the folks,we are a failure…help us,take charge of your lives,families,communities,states,nations and world….then WE worthless,WE inept,WE sociopathic exploiters of humans, may atlast attempt to become human ourselves..

  42. C Paul October 11, 2006 7:18 pm

    We need to rethink our concept of death

  43. Nish October 11, 2006 7:20 pm


    Try to buy or grow local foods, trade services with your neighbor and reduce your dependence on the dollar or any government declared currencies. The more we rely on each other and less on BIG BROTHER, the better off we’ll be


  44. surfdude October 11, 2006 7:32 pm

    How about this - everyone, and I mean everyone, gets to be president for four hours. That means there would be 6 new presidents each day. President would be picked by lottery.

    During the first three hours of the term - there is an huge inagural party for friends and family. Food, music, the whole nine yards. Then one hour to tour the whitehouse, meet the staff, and to revel in the moment. This way everyone eventually gets to feel important and NOTHING would get done.

    The rest of us could go about our business without ever caring what was going on in Washington.

  45. 49er October 11, 2006 7:54 pm

    Abolish dual citizenship. One can only serve one master at a time.

  46. Tactical Kill October 11, 2006 8:02 pm

    Maybe an IQ Test to get a voting card? LOL might be that simple… “to have change something must change” TK

  47. Action Taken October 11, 2006 8:04 pm

    The government should Spade and Nuder people for free. With publicity in high schools we could prevent teen pregnancies to a large degree. If people don’t want to refrain them self’s then the right of their reproduction should be eliminated. This sounds kind of harsh but it beats having hundreds of thousands of kids born every year with out a mother or father to teach them right. If this were implemented we would see a severe decrease in the number of children born out of wedlock. The people on warfare will drop, gangs decrease, and a better student teacher ratio. In whole this will help everyone, especially big cities such as LA, Chicago, and New York where many of the new generations are born by teen mothers and no father to instill principles.

  48. 49er October 11, 2006 8:05 pm

    Abolish 16th Amendment, replacing with a fixed (capped) percentage consumption tax, exempting food, medicine. In effect outsourcing the IRS and its overhead to the seller. You determine what your taxes are by how much you save and what you purchase. This will spur savings, which recently was negative in our country. No more April 15th headaches. Sounds like a tax I could live with.

  49. Tactical Kill October 11, 2006 8:15 pm

    Reading some of these responces I would think they were written by congress

  50. Tactical Kill October 11, 2006 8:21 pm

    “The simpler it’s is the easier it is to fix” TK

  51. 49er October 11, 2006 8:35 pm

    Federalism, States Rights should be resurrected. At one time, Senators were considered ambassadors or their respective states, would you believe. Now they are ambassadors of foreign powers (AIPAC) and corporations (Enron).

  52. Tactical Kill October 11, 2006 8:36 pm

    Hey Mike
    Maybe do a poll like this
    Is World Economics taking it’s Game Plan from 3 Card Monty?

  53. 49er October 11, 2006 8:38 pm

    Restore dueling to return character and honor to elected officials.

  54. rich October 11, 2006 8:40 pm

    We need to live in an anarcho-syndicalist commune, I would’ve thought that was obvious!

    If you want to know more read the following script from Scene 3 of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, I think this is quite brilliant, if you don’t know the story it’s about King Arthur and his search for the Holy Grail (kind of like us on this site!)

    [clop clop]
    ARTHUR: Old woman!
    DENNIS: Man!
    ARTHUR: Old Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
    DENNIS: I’m thirty seven.
    ARTHUR: What?
    DENNIS: I’m thirty seven — I’m not old!
    ARTHUR: Well, I can’t just call you `Man’.
    DENNIS: Well, you could say `Dennis’.
    ARTHUR: Well, I didn’t know you were called `Dennis.’
    DENNIS: Well, you didn’t bother to find out, did you?
    ARTHUR: I did say sorry about the `old woman,’ but from the behind you looked–
    DENNIS: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!
    ARTHUR: Well, I AM king…
    DENNIS: Oh king, eh, very nice. An’ how’d you get that, eh? By exploitin’ the workers — by ‘angin’ on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic an’ social differences in our society! If there’s ever going to be any progress–
    WOMAN: Dennis, there’s some lovely filth down here. Oh –how d’you do?
    ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who’s castle is that?
    WOMAN: King of the who?
    ARTHUR: The Britons.
    WOMAN: Who are the Britons?
    ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we’re all Britons and I am your king.
    WOMAN: I didn’t know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
    DENNIS: You’re fooling yourself. We’re living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes–
    WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
    DENNIS: That’s what it’s all about if only people would–
    ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
    WOMAN: No one live there.
    ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
    WOMAN: We don’t have a lord.
    ARTHUR: What?
    DENNIS: I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
    ARTHUR: Yes.
    DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.
    ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
    DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,–
    ARTHUR: Be quiet!
    DENNIS: –but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more–
    ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
    WOMAN: Order, eh — who does he think he is?
    ARTHUR: I am your king!
    WOMAN: Well, I didn’t vote for you.
    ARTHUR: You don’t vote for kings.
    WOMAN: Well, ‘ow did you become king then?
    ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
    from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
    [singing stops]
    That is why I am your king!
    DENNIS: Listen — strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
    ARTHUR: Be quiet!
    DENNIS: Well you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
    ARTHUR: Shut up!
    DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin’ I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they’d put me away!
    ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
    DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
    ARTHUR: Shut up!
    DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I’m being repressed!
    ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
    DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that, eh? That’s what I’m on about — did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn’t you?


    I think we should all live like Dennis and his woman!

    Cheers Rich

  55. Tactical Kill October 11, 2006 8:43 pm

    elected officials need to lead our troops from in front…

  56. Tactical Kill October 11, 2006 8:48 pm

    White House Conversation “Just a thought”
    Dick- Hey George I think we could lose 10,000 plus troops.
    George- Wow think you can reduce that number?
    Dick- rrrrrr
    George- Hey Dick pass the rolls…

  57. Atash October 11, 2006 8:52 pm

    1. Make an honest living and produce at least as much as you consume.

    2. Thrive.

    3. Teach your children to do likewise.

  58. Tactical Kill October 11, 2006 9:10 pm

    1 Easy Simple Step
    Buy your child or grandson a 10 oz Bar of silver let them hold it feel the weight, explain it’s value. Then buy them a cheap safe, then maybe they will spend their life trying to fill it rather than empty your wallet.
    Total Cost maybe $200 then again maybe not…

  59. DrX October 11, 2006 9:19 pm

    I totally agree with response 23. The real issue is one of practicality. If the people who established the central banker control the world, and have caused multiple world wars and depressions and are the true puppetmasters of the politicians, how are we then to even begin changing this world order?

    Perhaps like the old christmas song…just put one foot in front of the other, and soon you will be walking out the door.

    Now, how do we start the first foot?

  60. larry October 11, 2006 10:15 pm

    lets great creative…try this!…put all the money in one spot…blow a wistle…that signals everyone to grab as much as they can…them with the most win…the others work for the ones with the most…ya,thats the answer…oh,sorry,thats our current model..shoot….maybe we need new people…new people make new rules…then when those rules fail…get new people with new rules…lets recycle rules rather than grind up people…rules only grind up paper…it’s all goood!…cause its’ all made up…poof…

  61. Brett October 11, 2006 10:37 pm

    DrX, change will come whether we want it or not, whether we are ready or not. If we all do ‘nothing’, fiat currencies will still eventually go to their natural value with no backing–zero. If we do ’something’–like build connections or bonds we each other, we’ll weather the changes FAR better. Do you see a problem you could help solve? Do you see an opportunity you could help realize? The first foot is YOUR choice! Just as it is for me and everyone else. :-)



  62. WRR October 11, 2006 11:29 pm

    Place a 4 year sunset provision on all legislation passed at any governing level. If the results of the legislation are deemed beneficial by the governed, allow, using a vote, another 4 years, but maintain the sunset provision until a better solution is found and voted for or the law is voted out at sunset time.

    Require a none of the above, (NOTA) ballot option on every office or voted for provision. Enforce manditory cancellations of any office or provision if the total of NOTA votes exceeds the total of other votes.

    Abolish lobbying at any level. It should be the job of the elected/appointed official to understand the pros and cons of issues they are voting on or enacting so they can really be held accountible for their actions or lack of them.

    All elected or appointed offices should expire at the end of a 4 year term. Re-election or re-appointment could only be possible after the next persons’ 4 year term expires. Good old boy networks would be less likely if the hangers on had to make a living for 4 years while they were out of the public trough.

    Public programs should not be established without prior knowledge of how they would be funded. Expenditures for public programs should be strictly limited by the funding budgets. Deficit spending should be absolutely prohibited.

    The Federal Reserve should be abolished. Money creation should be a function of a simple, understandable tax program.

  63. Bob October 12, 2006 12:12 am

    1} Completely shut down all schools as they now exist, and only socialize internet based instruction all the way through university level. Have testing centers to make sure subject minimum requirements have been learned. Internet based tutors for helping students in any and all subjects, with 24/7 internet based support. Put special emphasis on economics and conservation of planet recourses knowledge requirements in grade school levels. Parents can provide for their own children’s socialization, and baby-sitting needs. Parents will be free to fund private education at their own expense, but national testing requirements must be met regardless, to certify education level.

    2} Return to honest money based monetary system, and abolish the Fed.

    3} A complete separation of government and capitalism (No lobby or campaign contributions money allowed by corporate supremacists), and strict limit caps on contributions from citizens.

    4}Same exact social, health care and retirement entitlements to politicians and government workers as all other citizens of the country.

    4} Mandatory balanced budgets in government finance. If they want extra money for a pork program or to fund a war, they can raise the money through telethon pledges. Unless of course the war is to defend our soil, from our soil only!

    5} Flat % income tax system for all, no loopholes or exceptions. Sales tax only on luxury items, and property tax only on homes over 1200 sq foot, and land over 1 acre. Tax excess natural resource consumption above a basic needs level, and also an excess pollution creator’s tax. No tax on domestic manufacturing businesses at all. All capitol gains and interest income will be considered income for which flat tax applies. No loophole death tax of 100% of everything over $1 million.

  64. Paul in France October 12, 2006 1:34 am

    Not my idea but, I think, Jeremy Clarkson’s; make people drive more safely by doing away with all seat belts and installing a six inch spike in the middle of the steering wheel facing the driver. It might just make everybody respionsible for their actions.

  65. Jake October 12, 2006 2:25 am

    I was young once. I rallied to the illusion generated by the ‘real world’. A belief that our government stood for high ideals and equal justice. That our Constitution and Bill of Rights were upheld by our elected officials and that my vote insured my freedom.

    Now I am old and I realize how the ideas put forth by the founders of this nation have been perverted and compromised. It began as soon as the Constitution was radified. Those in power and those who longed for power conspired in their own interests to shape the government to their will. The process began centuries ago - not yesterday. We the people have never really been free nor are we likely to be anytime soon. Those who govern us are our masters. Politics throughoout history has always been a cesspool for those corrupt individuals eager to gain power. I will not say there have not been honest and competent men and women who have held public office. There have been many but they have largely been outnumbered and rendered ineffectual.

    Our little experiment called democracy will eventually fail as all others have in the past.We are long past the ability of the masses to change this system. Corruption and greed will topple this government in time and a new beginning will emerge. It will probably fail too, but each time we begin we get a tiny bit smarter. So don’t dispair.

  66. Dr Jane Karlsson October 12, 2006 5:07 am

    I think if you want to change the world, a good start is to have an internet discussion about it. Nice one, Michael.

    You also need to arrange for the complete humiliation of all the People In Charge. Starting with Rumsfeld, I think.
    The Israelis were completely humiliated recently by Hizbollah, if anyone noticed. The army invading Lebanon was told to expect ‘a tent and three Kalashnikovs’, and found instead, a tunnel system with hydraulically-operated steel doors. How can the intelligence have been so wrong? Remind you of anything?

  67. zephyr October 12, 2006 6:25 am

    Michael, I must admit, when I first read your idea for this topic I thought, man, this isn’t gonna fly. Boy, was I wrong…..and happily so.

    -Let their be term limits on all federally elected positions, and when you’re out, get your own health care.

    -Here’s where we walk the tightrope in this country-just enough freedom, too much freedom so that abuse starts. Freedom/Democracy assumes all will play fairly. We’ve seen that doesn’t work.

    America was formed, in theory, based on tolerance for others beliefs as long as they weren’t hurtful…let’s see some of that.

    There’s been some great ideas on this thread, some comical ones (we need comic relief) and some that are, let’s say questionable. Following Michael’s law….none will be criticized. However, even in Danial Rose 38, which at first I thought was the wackiest, I found a glimmer in it that got me thinking. Here goes and pay close attention!!

    10-15 years ago, a book called Emerging Viruses was written by David Horowitz. If you haven’t read it, it’s a brilliant expose that solidly documents and explains why the Aids virus was most likely created in a lab and then released into certain areas of the world to test as a biological weapon. Kinda got out of control. Scary point-Kissinger was involved in authorizing such documented tests…this is documented!….told you that prick was in a new realm of evil.

    Anyway, flash forward and Horowitz has a new book called DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral. Without going into too much detail, he explains that most of the DNA code has been unidentifiable and that part of it serves as an antenna to the creator. Now don’t let me lose you!! I’m religious and at first, I thought has he gone a little wacky? Well, answer me this then. 1) Why was it the Dept of Energy that funded research on the DNA code. 2) And wasn’t it not that long ago that Cheney was involved in an energy policy meeting which was never explained, and it was never revealed who all was involved? It is Horowitz’s belief that the Govt is trying to Id the code in such a way to control the masses, make them and keep them sick, etc. Sound wacka-wacka? I thought so too. But read the book and start connecting the dots. Remember the crazy scientific human experiments the Nazis were involved in? Wouldn’t such experiments have evolved with the technology? After all, cloning has been going on for 30-50 years.

    Sorry, didn’t mean to scare the shit out of you. But, we have to ackowledge how evil and power/control hungry these people are. And enact some of the stuff we’ve been talking about to literally save some semblance of civilization. Thanks for this forum, Michael!

  68. ron October 12, 2006 6:45 am

    Interesting reading above. For the most part you all sound like Bolivarians (Chavistas). As a point of reference:

    Communal Councils urged to undertake bigger self-government projects

    VHeadline.com News Editor Patrick J. O’Donoghue writes: The Venezuelan government states that it has handed over 2 billion bolivares more to Communal Councils for projects within the communities.

    The fund for the Communal Councils was kick-started by the government and State Governors with 2 billion bolivares.
    The President says that while it’s important to create small projects in local communities, there should be other ventures on a bigger scale, such as installing drinking water, sources of energy, changing shacks for decent houses, technological, health and educational projects.

    The councils were created as a form of local self-government, independent of political party structure.

    The President has called on communities to watch out for vices and corruption that “threaten from all sides.”

    On October 12, (Columbus Day or Indigenous Resistance Day) President Chavez Frias will be in Zulia State’s La Guajira region to attend the first indigenous communal council.


    When the demonization and propaganda rachet up to create fear and hatred of Venezuelans, just refer to the above for the real reason.

  69. TIM October 12, 2006 8:02 am


  70. khill October 12, 2006 9:01 am

    Solve the energy crises or prepare for cities to become like New York in “Escape From New York” and the rest of world will look like “Mad Max”.There can be no smooth transition in this industrialized globalized overpopulated planet.Face the facts,prepare for destruction as the train approaches the wall through which there is no passing.When governments ration electricty and gasoline and grocery store shelves start having less and less products on them dreams go out the window.This isn’t 1776.Fertile lands have been exploited and depleted,abundant energy has been used to maximize growth past the point of sustainabibilty.7 billion people can’t attain the U.S. standard of living but they are trying and limitations are crying out.Warning signals are flashing.Food stocks are shrinking,energy and metals reserves are not being replaced.Nations are being driven to a war footing as a fight for natural resources is becoming more and more obvious.No matter how large a military force we build a small group of people can attain the means to bring the world to it’s knees.This isn’t 1776.The internet and weapons of mass destruction have leveled the playing field.The powers that be are loosing control.Todays institutions are defenseless and they have no idea what to do or how to even manage the developing chaos.We are on the Titanic.Get a floatation device if you can and stay out of the ice cold water for as long as possible.Thanks to the dreamers for playing music as the ship takes on more water.It’s a nice distraction.

  71. Atash October 12, 2006 9:37 am

    Ah, Love ! could thou and I with Fate conspire
    To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
    Would not we shatter it to bits–and then
    Re-mould it nearer to the Heart’s Desire ?

    Rubayat, Omar Kaayam

    I suspect that the problem is not so much who rules the world or through what process, but how much rule. The point of rule is to bind the world to one’s own egoistic impulses. Do you think that will lead to happiness? Gottes Mühlen mahlen langsam, mahlen aber trefflich fein. ;-{)

  72. Jeff Kassel October 12, 2006 9:48 am

    Form a new political party for the 50 million disenfranchized voters. Call it something like “Stop the Insanity Party” (STIP). Organize on the net with cyber town meetings every couple of nights. Most people have had it with these two parties. And you are the guy to to it Michael…I can give you 80 hours a week. Maybe we can recruit Soros who seems to be as pissed off as the rest of us.

    I mean a choice between Bush and Kerry…it was absurd. I’d rather have Satan running this country. At least he’s interesting. Actually, we might already have Satan in charge now. Maybe Chavez was onto something.


  73. Ed J. October 12, 2006 10:02 am

    1) Suffrage should NOT be universal. Voting should be restricted to citizens who a) can show employment and own property b) are at least 25 years old, and c) have served in some form of national service.

    2) Criminals convicted of a second offense must serve the balance of their first prison sentence before starting time on the new offense. A third felony conviction would be automatic life imprisonment with no parole. Yes, this would mean we’d need more prisons, but in the long run it would drastically reduce crime from the recidivist criminal element that cannot be rehabilitated. The death penalty would be aboloished and replaced by life without parole.

    3) Public-funded education should be abolished after primary school. We need to get away from the notion that all children must attend college.

    4) The federal government should offer substantial monetary prizes to individuals and companies that demonstrate solutions to major problems such as renewable energy sources or other ways that increase efficiency and reduce our dependence of fossil fuels.

  74. Rich October 12, 2006 10:54 am

    Hehe, nice Jeff.

    How about we call ourselves the Campaing to Reinvent American Politics?

    Cheers Rich

    PS. I agree that Michael should be the leader of the party.

  75. Dave Stratman October 12, 2006 11:13 am

    1. Dismantle the existing government at all levels. Imprison and try the war criminals.

    2. Dismantle the military, police, courts, etc.

    3. Arm the populace to maintain order, suppress counterrevolution, prevent invasion.

    4. Assemble democratic bodies in every workplace, school, hospital, university, and at local, regional, state, and federal levels to provide for the common good.

    5. Establish a new currency and economic system in which capital does not earn interest and which does not increase inequality but does the reverse. Michael Nystrom posted some writings on this issue some months ago, but I don’t recall the relevant names or details.

    6. Convene conferences of interested parties to devise solutions to pressing problems; e.g., convene teachers, parents, students, other educators to rethink education; doctors, nurses, patients, health care workers of all types, economists, planners to rethink/redesign health care and medical services; environmentalists, workers, farmers, biologists, botanists, transportation specialists, urban planners, landscape gardeners, and all other interested persons to rethink how to deal with environmental problems, global warming, urban sprawl, food supply, etc.

    These are just a few ideas, of course. I believe that most of the problems of our society are solvable, if people have the freedom and resources to put their minds and energy to them. The difficulty now is that what ordinary people experience as problems are in fact solutions to power elite: e.g., shipping jobs overseas is a means to weaken labor and strengthen profits; a disastrously expensive health care system is a way of keeping people insecure and at the mercy of their employers; permanent war is a way of frightening people into surrendering their liberties; the atomization of society is a way of keeping people weak and isolated.

    These problems are a function of the lack of democracy in our society–the fact that power is in the hands of a tiny elite rather than the hands of the people. They can only be solved through revolutionary democracy.

  76. Jason M October 12, 2006 11:44 am

    Am I allowed to steal someone else’s good ideas?

    These are from Mish at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

    1. Over the long haul government spending needs to match tax revenues. I would start by cutting off all funding for Iraq, to be phased in over 1 year. This should be enough time to bring the troops home safely. I would also bring home all of our troops from Europe phased in over 3-5 years. Military spending would be cut in half over a period of years.
    2. Rework the Medicare/Medicaid bill to allow for group bargaining.
    3. Allow drug imports from Canada, the UK, the EU, Mexico, and Australia to reduce Medicaid/Medicare drug costs as well as costs for private citizens.
    4.Phase out all tariffs and crop subsidies over 10 years. There is nothing magic about the number ten. Five, seven, or twelve might be better. If someone can justify a different number I am open to it.
    5. Interest rate setting by the fed would go. The Fed does not know the correct “neutral rate” anymore than it knows the correct price of orange juice. Let the Market set interest rates.
    6. One of the reasons the Fed is not in control of money supply is that credit dwarfs monetary pumping by orders of magnitude. One step in curing the problem is to eliminate fractional reserve lending (again over time) at perhaps 5-10% a year. To do that the Fed should gradually raise bank reserve requirements.
    7. Currently a mammoth amount of credit is created out of thin air by the GSEs. GSEs should be eliminated as soon as possible, perhaps over a period of 3 years. In addition all government policies, including tax policies, that favor one asset class over another, especially homes, should be abandoned. One of the primary reasons homes are not affordable is 300 or so government programs designed to make housing affordable.
    8. The Bankruptcy reform act needs to be rewritten. Credit card companies might be a lot more careful about who they lend to and how many credit cards they allowed if they bore more responsibility for their lending. Making people debt slaves forever as the current bankruptcy law attempts to do only encourages more reckless lending. As it sits, the current law is going to backfire big, in perhaps unknown ways when a credit contraction occurs.
    9. As I said earlier, the first country that openly embraces free trade will be a big winner regardless of what any other countries do. Once again the shock effect of doing that all at once could be too great. But a phase out of ALL tariffs over a 10 year period would be a positive thing.
    10. Scrap the Davis-Bacon Act on prevailing wages immediately. It’s a real porker, especially in an age of global wage arbitrage.
    11. Outlaw campaign contributions greater than $1,000.
    12. Amend the constitution to allow Line item vetoes.

    Thanks for the site, Michael. And I like your positive attitude.

  77. zephyr October 12, 2006 12:17 pm

    73 is pretty good except for having to serve in some national service. That’s arrogant with a capital A. I’ve always hated the military superiority complex. Besides, if you combined that with some sort of IQ test, there would be no one left to vote. Hehe!

  78. Kirk October 12, 2006 3:41 pm

    “Changing the world is a big job – so big in fact that most people think it simply cannot be done.”

    Communism changed the world. Was that a good idea? We took an idea that works in the small tribes we evolved in that shaped our intuition and tried to apply it to something as alien to the human race as civilizations. And it didn’t work. Marx was a genius, but he was wrong.

    I think most people realize that the world is a play so complicated that maybe change isn’t something that can be directed. Maybe progress is the result of a personal decision to do the best you can and live with integrity combined with a set of minimal laws to protect the environment and consumers. Maybe a little knowledge can do a lot of damage.

    Maybe the book I’m reading about the complexities of large software development projects is relevant to the world in the chapter about there being “No Silver Bullet”.

  79. Rich October 12, 2006 4:02 pm

    Hey Kirk.

    The world is connected by one big software development program, it’s called the global financial network, and apparently it functions very well indeed.

    There are $150 TRILLION of derivatives being traded on the system, as well as many other forms of transaction.

    Point is, the worlds finances are very well controlled, they aren’t out of control and not even 911 taking down two hubs of global banking and trade activity affected the network. So people can change a lot of things and very quickly.

    There are many institutions now that affect the lives of billions of people globally, the UN, IMF, World Bank, FIFA, Olympics, etc. These are institutions conceived by man and ran by man.

    So, we can all make changes happen, there was nothing incredibly special about the people who implemented the systems mentioned above. I totally believe there are silver bullets - but they are hard to find and harder to implement.

    Cheers Rich

  80. Sapiens October 12, 2006 4:34 pm

    What a magnificent thread!

    Well, if we are going to build a new world, first, we must define what we want it to be.

    Like any professional builder we need to get the plans before we undertake the task of building it. So, what is it that I want in the New World we shall build?

    I want to live in peace with my fellow human beings.

    I want us to be responsible for our actions and ready to accept the consequences when we are irresponsible.

    I want us to develop a set of objective morals that apply to all of us in the pursuit of Justice and harmony with the Laws of the Universe.

    I want us to be responsible and good stewards of the Earth’s resources.

    Most of all, I want to live in peace and harmony with you.


  81. zephyr October 12, 2006 5:42 pm

    Michael, I think Sapiens summed up this section as beautifully as one can do. It is time to move on to your next section of sorting through the ideas. Nicely done everybody!!!

  82. Administrator October 12, 2006 6:34 pm

    Dear Friends,

    Thank you all for the wonderful responses. I am extremely pressed for time today - working to meet a deadline on another project. But someone sent this to my private email, and I think it embodies the spirit of what we have going on here:

    The Flame of Hope

    Never give up hope that a better world is possible!!!


  83. Roy Tanner October 12, 2006 6:52 pm

    The partisanship, discord, and obstruction that characterizes “career” politicos in Washington has induced a state of myopia so acute that they are relatively blind to the perils that confront the American experiment.

    History abhors the vacuum that our lone super-power hegemony has created. As a result, the enemies of Western culture (e.g. old Cold-War foes and emerging proxies) look to drain U.S. blood and treasure by surring myriad geo-political hot spots.

    Given the huge foreign, fiscal, and social policy challenges that face the nation, maintaining the status quo is no longer an option. While we need a vibrant two-party system, only a small percentage of non-partisan, term-limited, public servants (who will act as trustees in confronting the real issues) are required to hold the political system accountable.

    For more information see: http://www.TannerForSenate.com

  84. Administrator October 12, 2006 7:31 pm

    Hey Rich, really funny!

    The Campaing to Reinvent American Politics (CRAP) - I get it. Ha ha ha.

    Actually, you had some good things to say on the other thread, which I am taking the liberty to reproduce here:

    Abolish secret societies, make citizens demonstrate some knowledge of issues before they qualify to vote, cap wealth at $1 billion (100% thereafter, yeah I know it sounds like socialism but you have to try to put something in place that stops a handful of people owning the world - anyone should be able to live happily on $1 billion!), abolish tax free foundations and institutions (this is where the elite peddle their power and influence out of sight of the general populace and the government), limit the size of government (its growing like a weed), massively reform campaign contributions, kick all lobbyists off of capitol hill (there are 24,000 of them), abolish the shadow government (NSA, and other secret agencies need to see the light of day).

    All of these things can be done within the framework of the existing system, but would be difficult.

    Perhaps after “Peak Humanity” (hehe) and Die Off we can institute them!

  85. The Wise One October 12, 2006 8:59 pm


    Go flaccidly amid the noise and haste, and remember you are unique, just like everybody else.
    As much as possible don’t use big words, where diminutive ones will suffice.
    Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and press any key to continue or any other key to quit.
    Realize that change is inevitable, except from a vending machine

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons, but don’t turn the other cheek - it’s just as ugly.
    Always remember that 2 wrongs don’t make a right, but 3 lefts do!
    There always will be greater and lesser persons than
    yourself, for half the people of the world are below average.

    Keep interested in your own career, however humble; However, a bad day at Disneyland is still better than a good day at work.
    Exercise caution in your business affairs; Be sure to do unto others, before others do unto you.
    But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; for beauty is in the eyes of the beer holder,
    and don’t look back, they may be gaining on you.

    If at first you don’t succeed, try again. Then quit. No use being a fool about it.
    Be yourself. Save your breath. You’ll need it to blow up your date.
    Especially, do not feign affection. Always ask “Your handcuffs or mine?”
    Neither be cynical about love;
    Remember that God gave us orgasms so we would know when to stop screwing.

    Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
    When all else fails, a hammer can be considered a PC
    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
    When in doubt, empty the magazine.
    But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to
    pull the trigger of a decent sniper rifle.

    Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness, or just plain being too ugly.
    Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself and please put your hand on the screen and FEEL my healing power.

    We are all Cthulhu’s children. Especially those of us with tentacles.
    You have a right to be here, but you eat too much - it’s keeping you alive!
    And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Nature is cruel. If you don’t believe me, look in the mirror.
    You can cheat on your metaphysics exam by looking
    into the soul next to you.
    Above all, remember, the squeaky wheel awakens Cthulhu.

    Therefore be at peace with God even if you’re all insane and trying to steal my magic bag.
    And whatever your labors and aspirations, your
    going to die anyway.

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. Deny everything.

    But most important remember the words of the great philosophers:
    To do is to be. - Descartes
    To be is to do. - Voltaire
    Do be do be do. - Sinatra

    And finally remember: It puts the lotion in the basket, or it gets the hose again and perhaps you should flee in terror. Yes, I think that would be best.

  86. Dr Jane Karlsson October 13, 2006 2:48 am

    zephyr, #67: Many thanks for the extremely important information about DNA. I haven’t read Horowitz’s books but I will now.

  87. ChemicalGal October 13, 2006 4:43 am

    Here is a website of people already doing something to make changes



  88. carol October 13, 2006 5:35 am

    Wonderful thread indeed. This is how I would change the world:

    Abolish the FEDERAL RESERVE.

    Abolish all federal, state and local governements, courts, administrative agencies.

    DISMANTAL and send home the standing armies (navy, airforce, etc). Nations only get attacked when they mess with other nations. Look at Switzerland, no foreign involvement - never been attacked. We need only a militia to protect the “homeland” from OUTSIDE attacks.

    Abolish ALL forced Taxation. ALL forced Taxation is nothing but theft at gunpoint.

    Remove the fatal flaws found in paragraph 17 and 18 from Article I Section 8 of the Constitution for the United States of American then we can have a Constitutional Republic back with real money - gold and silver and the fed government back in their little box only legislating for international and interstate affairs - no more social experiments - Social Security et al.

    Repudiate all amendments to the Constitution for the United States of American after the Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments).

    Abolish ALL statutes and return to the common law. Only crimes in common law are murder, rape, robbery, and torts.

    I guess that would be a good start.

  89. Dr Jane Karlsson October 13, 2006 6:56 am

    zephyr,#67: I can’t get Pirates of the Sacred Spiral right now, but I Googled it and found this: ‘The infamous untrustworthy “Human Genome Pirates” operate covertly, controlling genetic patents, spinoff technologies, and public information dissemination. With the world’s most powerful banking and pharmaceutical cartel behing them, they now control civilization’s destiny.’

    You will be interested to hear that actually, these people are getting absolutely nowhere. They thought it was genes that did the magical things, but it isn’t, it’s the rest of the DNA, the part that doesn’t make proteins, the part you call ‘unidentifiable’. Exactly as you said.

    However, there is nothing easier than making this magical DNA malfunction so people are sick and easy to control. All you have to do is make them eat the wrong food.

    The crucial point is this: the ‘unidentifiable’ DNA is the kind that binds metals. It is probable that these metals play a crucial role in the magical properties. If you want to stop the magic, all you have to do is make people eat food that contains too much of the ‘wrong’ metals and too little of the ‘right’ metals.

    This means two things: a lot of meat and a lot of refined carbohydrate. The two metals you need in adequate quantities are copper, the best conductor, and manganese, the most magnetic. The best source of these is whole grains.

    Meat is full of iron, which antagonises manganese, and zinc, which antagonises copper. So the standard Western meat-and-white-bread diet will block the magic and ‘disconnect you from the creator’, to use your terminology.

    If you want to change the world, eat less meat and absolutely no refined carbohydrate.

  90. Kirk October 13, 2006 7:54 am

    Rich said: “Point is, the worlds finances are very well controlled, they aren’t out of control and not even 911 taking down two hubs of global banking and trade activity affected the network. So people can change a lot of things and very quickly.”

    I agree in that free markets are powerful but fragile things. The Federal Reserve, IMF, etc, do NOT believe in free markets. That’s why I’m a libertarian. I want just enough government to provide law and order and that’s all. No Fed, no Bridge to Nowhere no IMF.

  91. turk October 13, 2006 8:32 am

    So many of the comments are centered on finance. I guess money is really the root of everything. I wish someone would define what exactly is a ‘free market’ and how would it benefit the large populace without causing pain to anyone. I read some free marketeers opinions and their descriptions sound more like anarchy than anything else. Anyway, there are many lofty goals stated here and some smaller goals. The story that helped begin this thread was largely criticized by many, including myself, for being nothing but idealistic and flowery statements without any true ideas as to how the authors wanted to change the world for the better. Perhaps it is all we can do to pick some small battles to try and win within the bigger picture. One of my thoughts is that the availability of fresh, clean water is a huge obstacle in much of the world and it is fast becoming a major issue west of the Mississippi. Desalinization is not yet financially feasable for profit, or even break even territory but does that mean we shouldn’t do it? I think a good use of private and public dollars working together would be to build a few desalinization plants for drinking water supply to the western USA. The land locked wells to tap into aquifers are getting deeper with each passing decade. The rocky mountain water shed is slowly drying out as desertification slowly swallows the green belts and water usage has never been higher. Local governments also need to grant a one time property tax break to home owners who change from lawn and other water using landscaping to low or non- water using landscaping.

  92. Tactical Kill October 13, 2006 9:44 am

    Wake-UP “You Buy It “Charge it” so they keep making it” =Crap
    Change will come thru what you buy!
    Gold and Silver that’s wealth out of their game, but it!
    Except LOL for comex’s 3 card monty

  93. Joy October 13, 2006 10:43 am

    The world can only be changed when people make changes within themselves, regenerating their negative energies into positive energies. We attract what we are and we are what we think. Negative events are attracted by negative thoughts, like a magnet because the matrix is within.

  94. zephyr October 13, 2006 12:07 pm

    Dr Jane Karlsson, you sound too cool!! Thanks for the follow-up info. Knowledge is power. And it feeds on itself….the more you share, the more it comes back to you exponentially. Keep the faith and keep spreading the facts….we will beat these people eventually. Don’t they know….the good guys always win!!

    To everyone else, I’m loving this forum….people unite!

    To Michael, let’s go to the next stage, baby….as I’ve repeated time and again, I feel our time grows short ( a line from a Christmas Carol I think….it keeps coming to mind whenever I say that ). I want to chew these bastards up and use Kissinger’s bones to pick my teeth. Actually, that would probably cause all my teeth to rot and fall out, whereupon they would turn to dust, causing the ground they fall upon to become barren, destitute for a generation. That is a colorful way of saying that even Satan will doublelock the gates of hell when Kissinger dies.

  95. Randy October 13, 2006 1:13 pm

    Ed J., the 3rd strike is fine by me, as long as it agrees with “common law”. no harm no foul. there are hundreds of thousands of “felons” that have never hurt a soul in “our” prisons. the USSA has more people per capita in jail than any other nation on earth.

    I guess that means we are a nation of criminals.

  96. Brian October 13, 2006 4:57 pm

    Randy -

    “When freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will be free.”

    I never really understood that quote, but your post has helped me. Thank you.


  97. Prince October 13, 2006 7:39 pm

    All 7 and we’ll watch them fall
    They stand in the way of love
    And we will smoke them all
    With an intellect and a savoir-faire
    No one in the whole universe
    Will ever compare
    I am yours now and u are mine
    And together we’ll love through
    All space and time, so dont cry
    One day all 7 will die!

    And I saw an angel come down unto me
    In her hand she holds the very key
    Words of compassion, words of peace
    And in the distance an army’s marching feet
    But behold, we will watch them fall!

    And we lay down on the sand of the sea
    And before us animosity will stand and decree
    That we speak not of love only blasphemy
    And in the distance, 6 others will curse me
    But that’s alright, (that’s alright)
    4 I will watch them fall!

    And we will see a plague and a river of blood
    And every evil soul will surely die in spite of
    Their 7 tears, but do not fear
    4 in the distance, 12 souls from now
    U and me will still be here
    We will still be here!

    There will be a new city with streets of gold
    The young so educated they never grow old
    And a, there will be no death 4 with every breath
    The voice of many colors sings a song
    Thats so bold
    Sing it while we watch them fall

    All 7 and we’ll watch them fall
    They stand in the way of love
    And we will smoke them all
    With an intellect and a savoir-faire
    No one in the whole universe
    Will ever compare
    I am yours now and u are mine
    And together we’ll love through
    All space and time, so dont cry
    One day all 7 will die!

  98. surfdude October 13, 2006 8:30 pm

    OK Now. I Read all of the posts and my head is spinning. Is this exercise meant as a release of energy? I am exhausted - it is like watching (to be more precise - reading) a 3-D ping-pong game. What should we do? How do we wake up the rest of the sleeping world? Here’s a suggestion:
    Put together a website that clearly spells out the problem: current gov’t system, and then presents a realistic solution: ? (do we know what that is yet?)
    Then, put together recources and advertise the crap out of it. Billboards, Publicity, make it a viral type of thing. Catchy phrase that temps viewer to learn more. Something like “Think you can’t change the world? Think Again,” http://www.createthenewworld.com

    Is everyone ready to start working on this, or are we going to go back to our busy lives?

    All we really need is a REALISTIC Solution. A small group of people really can make a difference if strategic marketing principles are put to use. The nest thing you know, talk radio wants interviews and the press jumps all over it. If this is something that everyone is already concerned about, the proper message will fuel a groundswell.

  99. Swan October 14, 2006 6:01 am

    There is enough of anything we may want or need without having to hoard or other things to ensure we have enough.Giving this idea a chance may prove to be self fullfilling.

  100. sharon October 14, 2006 7:47 am

    There is so much on here I don’t have time to read it all….

    #26 and #29 with their ideas for re-localization are key, of course. And I especially admire Dave (#6) for practicing the kinds of virtues we all need to be practicing–and aren’t.

    Our main difficulty in practicing what we believe in is that we live in a society that’s engineered to make it very difficult. I guess Dave proves it’s not impossible–and I’ve actually done or tried a number of things he suggests. I’ve always gardened organically–have actually made food, energy, and water self-sufficiency a goal. We’re tending toward vegetarianism, and I’m making tofu, tempeh, and soymilk at home–and using the whey from the tofu-making for part of our soap needs. I won’t go into the difficulties involved in self-sufficiency efforts, because they’re familiar to anyone who’s seriously thought about it.

    What’s REALLY needed is for land-based communities to emerge–and in a big way: Whole communities committed to getting off the grid, renouncing consumerism, nurturing personal relationships, being values-oriented.

    TO DO THAT, PEOPLE NEED LAND! (They also need the desire to actually do this.)

    The “system” is not curable, and can’t be opposed or worked with, worked on, or tinkered with. This is a system whose whole nature and purpose is evil. (Read Nock’s “Our Enemy, the State.”) The only solution is to walk away from it. More or less “renounce Satan, and all his works, and all his pomps” at a practical level.

    We’re not looking at values deeply enough, either. Some people who’ve posted are concerned about getting tough on crime, filling the prisons, sealing the borders from immigrants, etc. These are nothing more than examples of the of use of force by a gang or organized criminals (our government) to maintain control of the machinery of systematized murder and theft, to their own advantage. As for immigration, don’t peole inherently have the right to go anywhere they please? How can anyone set themselves up as having the right to tell someone else where they can and cannot go?

    If we don’t believe in theft, then we can’t believe in the profit system, or in taxation. If we believe in human dignity, we can’t believe in prisons, capital punishment, national borders, or private ownership of anything created by the creator (land, air, water, resources of any kind). If you didn’t make/build it, yourself, it ain’t yours.

    People need to LOOK! LOOK!! LOOK!!! at our institutions as systems of systatic murder and theft, look at our daily lives as participation in this system, and seek a way to disengage.

    To live at the mercy of such a system–and to enjoy its “benefits” of food, clothing, and other necessities that were produced by slave labor, the machinery of exploitation in general, and by the destruction of the earth is horrifying. We should refuse to do it, if we have any kind of conscience at all.

    And we need to begin setting up land-based communities that actually make it POSSIBLE to refuse to participate in this system, in the interests of feeling clean.

  101. turk October 14, 2006 9:11 am

    There seems to be a lot of sentiment for returning to an ‘agri-centered society’. That is where we came from, for the most part, over the past hundred years. Considering the pressures of todays population numbers it seems unlikely we can turn the clock back unless there is a mad max type of scenario. The city based society has over run the rural centered society. Much farm land has been developed into housing and we increasingly rely on foreign agriculture to supply our food. It is unlikely we can turn the clock back. What can we do to improve with a forward looking scenario? get off of oil based transportation as much as possible. We have the technological know how, we need investment on the scale with which the Henry Fords of the world brought mass production into the manufacturing scheme.

  102. qrswave October 14, 2006 11:05 am

    Michael! all your posts are outstanding, but this one is extraordinary!

    I haven’t finished reading through all the comments - but, clearly, your idea is a great success!

    I’ve never seen such a great collection of super ideas. I especially like the idea for a public bicycle pool - or at least the underlying concept - that more ‘things’ should be shared in common.

    That is what a new world should be all about.

  103. larry October 14, 2006 12:14 pm

    dr. jane karlson….hi there,i was a doc also…now i make documentary films…first let me say i come in peace…however,i must take some issue with your conclusions…regarding meat and refined carbohydrates…i agree that western diets high in refined carbohydrates(sugar) are disruptive and deleterious to the entire physiologic homeostasis….producing a premorbid,premature aging cascade primarily through enormous unrelenting insulin secretions…which in turn favor all of the modern rampent prevetable degenerative conditions promoting america’s public health decline and the pill sellers rich…if the MD’s only had the balls to look at every prematurely degenerating patient and say’you have 10 symptoms and feel like hell because you are unhealthy’ a healing miracle would be born….instead,since you cannot alienate your buisness customers and insurance only pays for selling pills ans surgery…well,you sell pills for symptoms that through symantecs you name as disease…when we know they are actually generally departures from homeostasis and reversable….no money,no future in providing health,better to provide pills and manage the steady degenerative decline…tragic truth…the current dominant medical hegemony has political origins commencing with the Abraham Flexner report of 1910…a Rockerfeller hired gun to discredit all healing approaches and embrase selling organic(oil) derived patented(expensive) remedies for all that ails…READ…the doctrine is not stiving to return you to health but to take your departure from health and homeostasis and sell remedies for your complaints which are not designed to promote or return health and Do Not according to all public health records…..the focus is on your unhealth and it’s symptoms and not on getting to health and the balance to shut off the warning symptoms…so is sugar,starch,refined carbs a killer…it is a killer..is processed food a killer…it is a killer…do we all have high or unacceptabe evels of heavy metals like mercury,lead arsenic,cadmium.ect…absolutely…when cancer mysteriously occurs the cancer is treated…and never ate the toxic loads to my knowledge even tested…why the treatment for metal removal is chelation therapy and that is not an advocted therapy and is not covered by insurance…what is covered is treatment of your toxic conditions…the medical machine would have us believe we are all genetically flawed ticking time bombs,ripe with future disease…in fact we are robust,evolutionarily tested beings….BUT,we are consuming and immersed in toxic alien environment and failing to thrive according to public health documents…logic says,,,,if all the modern medical miracles have compounded in a positive way we should be healthier than ever..we are sicker and degenerating on every public health measure…ALL degenerative illness is bouncing on the cieling upper band and breaking out…it is a BULL market in america for every preventable degenerative condition and the only growth industry on these shores is medicine…NO Coincidence….the best outcome in health care is the return to status quo i.e. homeostasis and balance and wellness…medical care produces no gain for a person…it returns them to optimal function…this medical model hinders the return to homeostasis and blocks it…so ford and general motors send their workers to the MD’s and it costs more every year for the anti-health care..but legal..hum odd…the legal approach is actually a killer for the recipient…so,it seemms the only benefactor of medicine are the doctors…the patients degenerate and cost more and more and bankrupt corporations and in a true way NATIONS…MD’s in historical perspective will be shown to have been a MAJOR deleterious and undemining factor in americas decline..they put money over honesty…md’s outcomes are unidirectional and predictable to the downside for the hapless public…more latter regarding meat in the diet…hint think…paleolithic diet

  104. larry October 14, 2006 1:02 pm

    also…modern medicine is corporate america…they..pfizer..merke,,sandoz…ect..donate to medical centers, universities,ect…and most importantly are central in formulating the approved medical school curriculum…so,it is no wonder the students are emerged armed with a cherry-picked truth base which happens to substantiate the selling of the pills and surgeries for which the corporations happen to provide the material’….you will NEVER hear mainstream medicine decrying the menace to health caused by Coke,Mcdonals.Fritolay,Hormell,ect…because modern medicine is one of them…they are amoung the most profitable hucksters ever seen!….the truth and the tragidy is so profound as to be unbelievable…a tribute to’the biggest lies are the easiest to sell’….one must also seperate out acute care from chronic care conditions….no better battle field medical model exists…if you get mortally wounded,america is the place…certain proceedures are extensions of that genius..but in general..aside from some proceedures and acute accident/injury scenarious…it ‘the machine’ enhances illness on all levels and it is widely known amoung them,e.g.read recent surgeon general report calling for reform of this disaster…yet, the system is so entreched and enormous it seems to defy any chance for reform…and reform is a mild term for what is required….the first casualty of war is honesty…and the sorts of individuals waging this war on our health,long ago threw out that nuisance…SHOW ME THE MONEY…that is their credo…show me the money…and we do WE DO!…like lemmings over a cliff,WE DO!

  105. Rich October 14, 2006 1:09 pm

    This on the Paleolithic Diet, thanks Larry!


    Cheers Rich

  106. gemstocks October 14, 2006 1:16 pm

    Post number 100 by Sharon wrote, “If you didn’t make/build it, yourself, it ain’t yours.”

    I guess that leaves me out. I’m disabled and can’t make or build anything. I bet she’s a really kind person, (the kind of person who puts a Mexican centavo in a blind man’s cup and takes all the pencils.)

    Some people onthis blog are in worse shape than I am. At least I can think deep thoughts without appearing simpler than a Penuts comic strip.

  107. turk October 14, 2006 3:28 pm

    Once when I was in Korea and a disabled woman was begging on a street corner, a korean friend told me not to help her. I asked why not and she said her problems are her own problems and no one should concern themsleves with the womans problems. I once heard it said that the mark of a great society is the way it treats its disabled and its prisoners. I have sensed a growing American sentiment over the past twenty years akin to the philosophy of “only the strong should survive”. It seems to coincide with the take the money and run attitude or the Iv’e got mine and screw you attitude that is all over this so called ‘ownership society’ ruled by the investor class. Even in the light of things like welfare, food stamps, the ADA, and other programs meant to help those who need it, I fear we are getting away from being a country who helps the downtrodden and praises those who succeed at any cost. In 2002 I attended a military conference where the talk turned to acandemic fraud. A young female captain in the air force blurted out the following: ” If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.” Is this the idea that now permeates our service academies and college campuses? If so, is this mind set being spoon fed to our youth via their media saturated lives? I think it is. Power corrupts and financial power corrupts those who have it into thinking they are blessed for some reason. We need to get back to the popular sentiment of the FDR years. Perhaps it will take a total meltdown of our society, where the day to day philosophy will be misery loves company and almost everyone is in such dire straights that they are all miserable.

  108. larry October 14, 2006 3:41 pm

    RICH…thanks for that post on paleolithic diet..it is a good summary..saves this hunt and peck typer more missery…you get the point…if they cared about us being well, this information would be brought to you by the AMA’s 24/7 channel on your health…dream on you genetically flawed pieces of piss poor protoplasm…annnnnnnd,be thankful those docs are willing to provide you thier miracles and save your wretched deformed pathetic souls!…godbless these wonderful,honest,selfless,miracle workers….someone cares about me and my loved ones…whawhaaaaa

  109. [...] Personal level ideas are those that YOU have immediate control over, right now. We don’t have control over other people’s actions, but we do have control over our own. You don’t have to “change the world” to live a life of personal integrity and responsibility. I think our Vietnamese friend Dave summed things up very nicely in his post. To summarize, we should do our best to live simply and sustainably, build community and take responsibility for all of our actions. I think the best way to educate others is by using your own life as an example, and Dave has done an excellent job at this. As a result of Dave’s post, I will begin composting my organic waste. Thanks, Dave! This is a small change, but big changes the result of lots of small ones. [...]

  110. Administrator October 14, 2006 4:19 pm

    Creating the New World, Part II

    Dear Everyone,

    What a wonderful thread we all contributed to! As long as there is hope, I believe that we can make the world a better place. Because I had a very busy week, I didn’t have a chance to read the comments as they came. But last night I sat down and read every single one, and took nine pages of notes.

    Now, onto step 2! Step 2 is the sorting phase.


  111. Tactical Kill October 14, 2006 6:50 pm

    If you watch read or listen to any mainstream New “Show” Your being misled, and your time for searching out the truth thru blogs like Michael’s is being stolen.

    IQ Test
    If your eating in a fast food place do you?
    a. Clear your table
    b. Leave your Tray

    If your answer is (a)
    Think about this 1. your putting someone maybe even 100,000 people out of a job so the rich get richer. 2. You have been programmed to work for free and should also ask for the toilet brush when you leave a skid, after all why stop with just your table.

    2. If your school ask (makes) your child sell candy do you?
    a. Help them
    b. don’t help
    c. just buy it
    d. bring it back to the school

    If your answer is anything but (d) You have been programmed. Your child goes to school to learn not for paying their way with cheep child labor, if you supply the schools with money what do you think will happen with your Tax dollars. And lets not
    even talk about a child standing in the road begging for money, child labor and NO Dangerous pay (kinda like 3rd world) .

    More to come
    Sooner or later they will figure how to stop blogs like this. You tube may have been bought for control MP= Media Protection

    Watch this pass it on…

  112. Tactical Kill October 14, 2006 7:44 pm

    Silver money was used by the masses as money. Gold for the rich!
    Silver a natural antibacterial knowing about things like bird flu if silver was still used as money we would all be safer. Also used as silverware 2 things that are most likely to spread germs.
    Proof of Design?

    If you were let’s say in Mexico and wanted to enter the US with 3 of the following things which would not be allow thru customs?
    An Orange, A Steak or A National with aids.

    You can’t bring fruit because it might infect the fruit crops, you cant bring a steak because it might infect the beef supply (mad cow) but it’s ok to infect the people your (children)
    The problem may not be government but the people it’s YOU who buy gas wasting SUV’s for your own ego’s….. O and that Flag on the back supporting the troops…
    Yea Theirs with your gas money… Don’t Blame Government for what your actions have caused.

  113. Tactical Kill October 14, 2006 7:47 pm

    If I only changed 1 person then I HAVE changed the world…

  114. Tactical Kill October 14, 2006 8:04 pm

    Change your buying habits NOW or you DON’T BELONG HERE
    When you purchase THINK Does the owner live in this community or
    is this money on it’s way to Wall St. A local merchant buy’s local goods and services as do his employees which might be supporting you. If the dollar rules it’s the spender with the power….

  115. Tactical Kill October 14, 2006 8:18 pm

    Gift Cards WoW
    How Dumb can you be………
    LOL it’s kinda late and I’m enjoying my wine so, fast forward if
    If you can’t face reality (my BS LOL).
    By giving a bar of gold or maybe a gold coin as a gift you might change
    Someone’s life a new married couple might think about building wealth
    Or a young child seeing wealth in a new light, simple things with far reaching

    Sorry Mike Maybe you should send me a bill for the band width.

  116. Tactical Kill October 14, 2006 8:21 pm

    You don’t need interest on gold
    You need interest in Gold……..

  117. Tactical Kill October 14, 2006 8:39 pm

    If it’s the Governments Job to Control
    Don’t you Think They Will Make Sure there
    Is something to control…….
    Well time for kicking some but in chess
    Thus the name…..
    The change you want is from within and is…

  118. Dr Jane Karlsson October 15, 2006 3:28 am

    Rich, #104: the Palaeolithic Diet people, who say don’t eat grains, beans or potatoes, have neglected the following:

    1. Before the use of fire for cooking, Palaeolithic people might have sprouted their grains and pulses. Soaking and sprouting eliminates the toxins. Many ancient people (for example, the Chinese) are known to have eaten sprouted seeds. The Hunza of northern India, whose outstanding health was found 80 years ago to be due to their diet, ate sprouted pulses (and a lot of wholemeal bread).

    2. The Irish used to live on potatoes, and are reported to have been unusually strong and good-looking. Good-quality potatoes (admittedly, hard to find nowadays) are extremely nutritious, containing everything humans need.

    3. All the bad things the Palaeolithic Diet people attribute to grains are true of refined but not unrefined grains. American scientists have published many studies in recent years showing that whole grains protect against cancer, heart disease, diabetes and obesity.

  119. larry October 15, 2006 8:30 am

    wrong dr.jane…massive use of grains have promoted the obesity,diabetes,cancer…degenerative rail road…research :grain(foodstuffs)low density nutrition/insulin and degenerative changes…american research has no meaning…sponsored by merk?…honest research they have,huh…your med. school was not science it was selective conditioning..

  120. Paris ib October 15, 2006 10:46 am

    120. Give the television(s) away.
    121. Re-read the classics. Starting with Catch-22.
    122. Join a library and start using it.
    123. Learn to cook one (real) dish really well.
    124. Exercise.

  121. Administrator October 16, 2006 8:43 am

    To: Tactical Kill -

    I have set up some very simple guidelines for this site and this post. One of them is not to criticize others ideas. The other, while unspoken, is to be respectful of others. This includes not flooding the board with your comments. And also calling other people “dumb” #115

    How Dumb can you be………

    You’re free to enjoy your wine late at night, but don’t expose the rest of us to the ramblings of a drunkard. Be respectful. It is not my policy to delete comments. I believe we’re all adults and can play by the rules, and I don’t want to be a policeman.

    Which raises another point about society in general - how to deal with troublemakers who don’t follow the rules and make life difficult for others? Responses are welcome.

    I’ve put Tactical Kill on watch - your comments must now be approved before they are posted to the board. If you can’t follow the rules, then you don’t get to play. Sorry.

    Again, responses welcome on how to deal with such issues.

  122. sharon October 17, 2006 9:32 pm

    Thought I’d better reply to gemstocks: The statement I made, “If you didn’t make/build it, yourself, it ain’t yours,” is an attempt to state fundamental economic theory simply. (This, as you can probably imagine, is not easy to do.) I was not talking about how resources should be allocated.

    Fundamental economic theory basically says that, if you want an economically just society, the absolutely first prerequisite of this is to make it impossible for for anyone to obtain a law-made private ownership monopoly of the sources of wealth. The sources of wealth are invariably stated to be land, labor, and capital. (I know I’m boring you; be patient.) When land is owned through law-made monopoly, the access to land by individuals is shut off. The individual has been deprived of the right to apply labor and capital to land to create wealth; only those holding law-made private monopolies of land may do that. The resulting situation is analogous to a siege, where a city is shut off by force of arms from access to land and water, and the people begin to starve and die of thirst–until they come to term with the enemy and agree to be made slaves. Private ownership of land (or the State system of land tenure) operates in exactly the same way. It is just such an entrenched system that we fail to see its purpose or effects.

    Such a system is self-evidently immoral because there can be absolutely no justification for any individual or group claiming a monopoly ownership right to anything that was created by god. I’m not trying to inject religion into this; I’m just trying to be brief. It really doesn’t matter whether the central plains, the Grand Canyon, or Black Mesa was created by god or not. The point is that they weren’t created by humans; hence, human claim to private ownership monopoly of any part of the earth is a looney idea. It’s just as goofy as claiming ownership of oceans, air, water, and rainfall. (A corporation in Bolivia attempted to claim ownership of rainwater, so that it could charge people for collecting rainwater, for example.)

    Quite a number of people have observed that the breakdown of the notion of private ownership of natural resources would mean an end to economic exploitation–and even an end to the State itself.

    There have been quite a number of societies which did not acknowledge the possibility of private ownership of resources (but only of labor-made products), and it did NOT follow that these societies neglected their weak or unproductive members (children, elderly, infirm, disabled). Actually, they appear to have taken much better care of them than our society does. Certainly, ancestral societies seem to have been organized so that everyone had a sense of obligation to provide for everyone else.

    What I’m actually trying to draw attention to is the question of the basic immorality of private ownership of god-created resources.

    I don’t think we can get a handle on the causes of the rot in our society until we begin to examine the immorality of our basic institutions–the ones we take most deeply for granted–and are willing to toss them.

    Generally, I would have to say that investing is not exactly a good way to make a living. (The way I, personally, make a living is not a good way of making a living, by the way.) Going down to the mall or the grocery store and buying products made by slave labor is not a good way to meet ones economic needs, either. If you’re trapped into living off other people, you’re not doing anything worse than what I’m doing, and you probably have a better excuse than I do.

    My point is that we should not be living in a society that is engineered to make all of us thieves and crooks–if we want to live, that is.

    Anyway, if my attempt to explain fundamental economics left something to be desired–which I suspect it did–read Henry George’s “Progress and Poverty” and Albert Jay Nock’s “Our Enemy, the State” for the full story. You almost need to be disabled to get through the first one–or have a lot of time on your hands for some other reason.

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