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Ron Paul for President 2008

Posted on January 16, 2007
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Rumors are swirling that Ron Paul will make a run for president in 2008

This from the Washington Post

Texas Congressman Seeks Presidency

By JOE STINEBAKER
The Associated Press
Thursday, January 11, 2007; 6:28 PM

HOUSTON — Rep. Ron Paul, the iconoclastic, nine-term lawmaker from southeast Texas, took the first step Thursday toward a second, quixotic presidential bid _ this time as a Republican.

Paul filed papers in Texas to create a presidential exploratory committee that will allow him to raise money. In 1988, Paul was the Libertarian nominee for president and received more than 400,000 votes.

Kent Snyder, the chairman of Paul’s exploratory committee and a former staffer on Paul’s Libertarian campaign, said the congressman knows he’s a long shot.

“There’s no question that it’s an uphill battle, and that Dr. Paul is an underdog,” Snyder said. “But we think it’s well worth doing and we’ll let the voters decide.”

Paul limits his view of the role of the federal government to those duties laid out in the Constitution. As a result, he sometimes casts votes at odds with his constituents and other Republicans.

He was one of a handful of Republicans to vote in 2002 against giving President Bush the authority to use military force in Iraq, contending that only Congress had the power to declare war. At times, he has voted against funds for the military.

Paul bills himself as “The Taxpayers’ Best Friend,” and is routinely ranked either first or second in the House by the National Taxpayers Union, a national group advocating low taxes and limited government.

Ron Paul’s website

What do you think? Will he run? What would the country be like with Dr. Paul in the Whitehouse? Can he win?

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p.s. I’ve set up a new site to continue to track the developments. I’ll do my best to keep it updated: Ron Paul for President 2008!

Michael

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  1. Ken January 17, 2007 4:24 am

    If we are going to have a ‘King’ then it must as well be someone with a little sense.

    Mr. Paul at least has been consistant with patriotic motives. We could surely use someone with the right attitude but it appears it will be too late.

    It’s really difficult for me to believe the United States will allow ‘one person’ to use nuclear weapons!!! What the hell are we doing??????????????

  2. bp January 17, 2007 5:36 am

    Ron Paul doesn’t stand a chance of winning - he won’t even make it onto the ballot in my state, but I would be willing to write his name in as a protest vote - as long as one needs big money to get to the final round, there will be little chance for people like Ron Paul

  3. bk January 17, 2007 5:55 am

    If everyone threw away their vote on what they really believed, instead of buying into the large corporation controlled Democrat/Republican false dichotomy, then the American people would finally get what they want, freedom and justice for all…

  4. skeptical January 17, 2007 6:22 am

    bk - “then the American people would finally get what they want, freedom and justice for all”

    Not so fast there bk, show me any proof that “the American people” want freedom or justice. I think most beleive they already have freedom and justice. Further most who know they dont have it are more than willing to give what freedom they have away in return for a little “security”.

    As far as Ron Paul goes, he is the closest man to one who believes in “freedom and justice” in the government but I can tell you he doesn’t have a chance in hell of ever getting nominated by the republicraps. Its a rigged game, rigged by the “system” to perpetuate itself. The money powers (banking and big business) will buy the canidate who will give them what THEY want. Remember in a “democracy” (per the US army’s publication in 1928 the most vile and evil form of government) every “person” (a fiction like a “us citizen” or a corporation) has a vote and is “represented”.

    The US DEMON[ocracy] is the best money can buy!

  5. vince January 17, 2007 8:39 am

    I’m ecstatic about the news Ron Paul may make a run for president, and proud to have him as my representative in Texas district 14. Ron Paul doesn’t have to win, just by running many more people will hear debate they would otherwise not hear and awaken to what is happening to America. I believe the root cause of our situation is an entertained public who do’nt know or understand what is really hapening. We have allowed forces that have allways been there to take control by basically saying “Hey look over there” while they do what suits them which is diametrically opposed to the peoples best interests. Ron Paul’s run, if it only helps wake people up is worth my money. I hope some who read this will support him also. The smartest statement I have read on this site is “TURN OFF THE TV AND THINK!” If America could do this in mass we would live in a better world tomorrow.

  6. Administrator January 17, 2007 10:32 am

    I agree that Dr. Paul probably doesn’t have a chance of winning the Presidency, or even the nomination. However, having his voice in the debate will raise the level of discussion. We desperately need someone who will talk sense in the face of the non-sense that passes for political discussion.

    Waking up the populace is a slow and never ending process…People keep falling asleep…

    Michael

  7. Rico January 17, 2007 10:46 am

    I would vote for him if I could. In truth, I agree with the comments above… great idea, but it’ll never fly.
    1. The system won’t let it work
    2. Even if the system failed to protect itself, the people will be fed lies to vilify Dr. Paul

    Rico

  8. Kia January 17, 2007 11:08 am

    Diebold won’t “elect” him. But then again we haven’t had any elections since 2000, just selections ;-)

  9. Ken January 17, 2007 11:46 am

    Wait a minute or two years! Dr. Paul is a much more well know Politician and makes such good sense he my just have a chance. As a matter of fact he may have more of a chance in this specific election than others. Your are going to have a Clinton or Obama Democrat and who knows what republican will be put up but the fringe or blend between the two parties may just fall perfectly in line for Dr. Paul. I could see a tight 33% for each if he went out on his own no telling what numbers would be if he ended up on the republican ticket. But then again I may be dreaming so pinch me and wake me up! Like someone else mentioned it would definitely help bring some real issues up front and even the threat of running may help the Republicans clean up a little.

  10. me January 17, 2007 1:13 pm

    I think Ron Paul is the most qualified person on the planet to be the next president.

    He is not owned by the elite. He is clear about the private “federal reserve” and how they have been sucking the life out of the USA for 94 years. He is against gun control. I am sure that he is both clear that 911 needs a new independent investigation and that the Official 911 Commission was a complete whitewah. He stood against the majority and voted against the war in Iraq. He was a flight surgeon in Vietnam. He is smart, honest and is for the constitution 100%. He stands head and shoulders above 95% of the rest of the senate.

    I would vote for him for sure. And people pooh poohing that he doesn’t have a chance. I don’t agree at all !! If the American people knew who this guy was he would win hands down. Ron Paul actually has something worth saying.

    Clinton, Ghouliani and Mc Cain are in the pockets of the elite and will just continue the present dictatorial policies of Bush.

  11. Breck January 17, 2007 1:26 pm

    “me” Dr. Paul is a Congressman not a senator. I wish he was a senator!

    I don’t know, it is hard, very difficult to find any optimism when on every front, EVERY FRONT, every issue, EVERY ISSUE, the next day’s news brings even more assaults on American’s liberties.

    I guess I should be out joining meetings…doing something!

  12. larry January 17, 2007 2:07 pm

    if it looks like he could win he will loose…a platform that includes disbanning central bankers and promoting sound currency will be suicidal…it killed the kennedy brothers…..they where known to oppossed to federal reserve bankers…did not go well for them

  13. muleskinner January 17, 2007 3:41 pm

    He can’t win if he doesn’t run for the office. I hope he chooses a party other than the ‘Republican’ Party. I will never vote for another ‘Republican’ ever again. Ever.

    I would vote for The Honorable Ron Paul, regardless of his party affiliation.

    I will vote for a true Republican, but not any of the neo ‘Republican’ hypocrites that haven’t a clue.

  14. Rich January 17, 2007 3:47 pm

    Ron Paul for King, Ron Paul for King, God Save Ron Paul!

    I love this guy, a family doctor from the heart of Texas, and a republican to boot - - it’s all perfect.

    I would vote for him, and you know me, I’m one of the biggest cynics when it comes to voting and our so-called democracy. Ron Paul is a real man, he stands up for what he believes in and won’t be backed down. He is what America is meant to be about, an uncompromising belief in human rights, small govt, freedom and justice - - where did the rest of the politico’s go so wrong.

    Ron Paul is Mr. Smith, he went to Washington and is now ready to stand and fight on the big stage for the rights of the people that have been stolen by the PTB.

    Kia, I like your comments, “selections” instead of “elections” and Diebold being the ultimate arbiter of who we have for pres! I guess we need to know who is behind Diebold!!?? I wonder if Kissinger is a consultant to the company, they do their banking with Chase and got their funding from the Carlysle Group???

    Cheers Rich

  15. ostrich January 17, 2007 6:07 pm

    I believe it was Ross Perot a number of years ago that said the USA needs a third party and from my perspective he is right on. Maybe Ron and Ralph and Ross could run as the three R’s lol. Seriously they should start a new party maybe use the green policies as well, but not call it green, the new republicans, new democrats, the Founding Fathers - Something that is even catchy because like it or not PR wins elections in the western world not noble ideas and noble people. But If I lived their I would be all over this trying to get him elected he may be your last chance or hope/for hope.

  16. Ranwho January 17, 2007 7:25 pm

    I would vote for him in a heart beat!

    He is a true republican; fiscal responsibility with small goverment, staying out of our personal lives. Not this Neo Nazi, right wing, my way or the highway, they have turned into.

    “Mr. Smith goes to Washington” was a fictional movie about an honest politican, here we have one in real life. How cool is that?!

    I never thought I’d see it in my life time. If we don’t vote this man in as President, we may NEVER see it again.

    Ranwho

  17. larry January 17, 2007 8:45 pm

    rich…you spoke my mind about dr.paul….he is what americans were supposed to be about….i really wish him well…as others have said….if only he can force the discussion about what matters….the flaws of our system cannot be fixed with spending…the system is now the problem and reform of policy that has lead to a departure from the sound principles of our founding group must be seriously pursued…this experiment has gone bad and the original formula that was the envy of the world at one time must be re-envigerated….chaos is certain to follow this pilfering if balance and fairness is not restored

  18. Charles K. Ponzi January 17, 2007 10:30 pm

    Ron Paul, come on down, you’re the next contestant on the right is right.

    I supported John Edwards in 2004 right up until he joined John “Bafoon” Kerry.

    I was ready to get behind him again until I heard Ron Paul may step in. If he steps up, I will help make it happen.

    How? I will put him on the map here in NH. All he needs to do is show up. I’m working on a new Ponzi scheme for him as we speak. Win or lose, just getting his message out will make a huge difference.

    Hope to see him at the local coffee shop soon.

  19. Michael Nystrom January 18, 2007 4:26 am

    Wow! Overwhelming support! Not a dissenter among us - I’ve never seen it before in the BNB gang. We should all take the time to write Dr. Paul with our support. A supportive email can do wonders - ask me - I know! And spread the word among friends and strangers. And with the stranger - he he.

    If anyone comes across any news on his candidacy - please pass it along and I’ll post it to the site.

    Michael

  20. muleskinner January 18, 2007 6:53 am
  21. kia January 18, 2007 6:59 am

    Hey Kids, here’s some reading for you all:

    The Irrelevance of
    Military Victory
    by Rep. Ron Paul

    A military victory in Iraq is unattainable, just as it was in the Vietnam War.

    At the close of the Vietnam War in 1975, a telling conversation took place between an NVA colonel named Tu and an American colonel named Harry Summers. Col. Summers reportedly said, “You never beat us on the battlefield.” Tu replied, “That may be so, but it is also irrelevant.” It is likewise irrelevant to seek military victory in Iraq.

    As conditions deteriorate in Iraq, the American people are told more blood must be spilled to achieve just such a military victory. Twenty thousand additional troops and another $100 billion are needed for a “surge.” Yet the people remain rightfully skeptical.

    Though we’ve been in Iraq nearly four years, the meager goal today simply is to secure Baghdad. This hardly shows that the mission is even partly accomplished.

    Astonishingly, American taxpayers now will be forced to finance a multi-billion-dollar jobs program in Iraq. Suddenly the war is about jobs! We export our manufacturing jobs to Asia, and now we plan to export our welfare jobs to Iraq – all at the expense of the poor and middle class here at home.

    Plans are being made to become more ruthless in achieving stability in Iraq. It appears Moqtada al-Sadr will be on the receiving end of our military efforts, despite his overwhelming support among large segments of the Iraqi people.

    It’s interesting to note that one excuse given for our failure is leveled at the Iraqis themselves. They have not done enough, we’re told, and are difficult to train.

    Yet no one complains that Mahdi or Kurdish militias or the Badr Brigade (the real Iraq government, not our appointed government) are not well-trained. Our problems obviously have nothing to do with training Iraqis to fight, but instead with loyalties and motivations.

    We claim to be spreading democracy in Iraq, but Sadr has far more democratic support with the majority Shi’ites than our troops enjoy. The problem is not a lack of democratic consensus; it is the antipathy toward our presence among most Iraqis.

    In real estate, the three important considerations are location, location, location. In Iraq, the three conditions are occupation, occupation, occupation. Nothing can improve in Iraq until we understand that our occupation is the primary source of the chaos and killing. We are a foreign occupying force, strongly resented by the majority of Iraq’s citizens.

    Our inability to adapt to the tactics of 4th generation warfare compounds our military failure. Unless we understand this, even doubling our troop strength will not solve the problems created by our occupation.

    The talk of a troop surge and jobs program in Iraq only distracts Americans from the very real possibility of an attack on Iran. Our growing naval presence in the region and our harsh rhetoric toward Iran are unsettling. Securing the Horn of Africa and sending Ethiopian troops into Somalia do not bode well for world peace. Yet these developments are almost totally ignored by Congress.

    Rumors are flying about when, not if, Iran will be bombed by either Israel or the U.S. – possibly with nuclear weapons. Our CIA says Iran is 10 years away from producing a nuclear bomb and has no delivery system, but this does not impede our plans to keep “everything on the table” when dealing with Iran.

    We should remember that Iran, like Iraq, is a third-world nation without a significant military. Nothing in history hints that she is likely to invade a neighboring country, let alone do anything to America or Israel. I am concerned, however, that a contrived Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.

    Even if such an attack is carried out by Israel over U.S. objections, we will be politically and morally culpable since we provided the weapons and dollars to make it possible.

    Let’s hope I’m wrong about this one.

  22. Rich January 18, 2007 7:18 am

    Hey Michael.

    Send Paul’s people a link to the thread so they can see for themselves, I’m sure it’ll be a shot in the arm for them.

    About the Gulf of Tonkin prediction, I think it was said on this site before Christmas that it was a strong potential, especially with all of our hardware in the Gulf - so perhaps he’s already reading this site!!??

    Either way, lets just hope he runs and we all have someone real to support.

    What does everyone think about Obama?? I just to feel much better, now it all seems fake on some level.

    Also, Kissinger is now working on McCain’s campaign, surely that spells the end of the idiot McCain (the big sell-out).

    Rich

  23. kia January 18, 2007 7:55 am

    Rich (#22),

    McCain’s descent from Maverick to sell-out is stunning, seems that he forgot the lessons he learned in N. Vietnam. Being advised by Kissinger is an appropriate tombstone.

    Obama will be evicerated by the Clintons.

    A third party is the only solution to the evil of the two lessers, the Demopublicans and Republicrats, better know as the Money Party.

  24. bp January 18, 2007 8:55 am

    #23, kia - I agree a third party - even if it doesn’t elect anyone - it is a warning flag going up to the nation, if Paul runs Republican it will accomplish little since it will make the party look legit and he will be eliminated in the early rounds - as for Obama - yeah Rich, something rings hollow, and I’m sure he will be shredded before he gets very far in the process

  25. Tim January 18, 2007 9:04 am

    The man may be a man of some kind of vision and he may make a good president. Campaigning is not about good ideas coming to the table it is about casting doubt on your opponent. If Ron Paul has any skeletons in his closet (who doesn’t) he will be raked over the coals by his opponents who find them out. He won’t have the financial backing to fight back one hundred percent so he probably is not electable. Obama has a manner about him that the American people tend to like, much the same kind of manner that propelled Bush into office at first. he is plain spoken and admits to his past mistakes. What is different about Obama is he is a competent communicater. If he can withstand the agonizing campaign trail, in other words, if he can keep his head while those around him are losing theirs, I believe he has a real shot. Hillary doesn’t have a real shot at it. She drags too much baggage with her from the past that Americans no longeer want any part of. New century, new names, new direction,,,That is the perception of the next few years. No old hat candidates need apply.

  26. tz January 18, 2007 11:05 am

    The early caucuses and primaries can change things - you can have a team on the ground but the winner does matter.

    It depends on whether everyone is willing to push him through. After the GOP’s latest rounds and division, RP is someone I think the country could get around. If you listen to him next to any of the other politicians, he sounds sincere and guileless. No one including Frau Chancellor (Clinton) could “triangulate”. And Paul has his congressional record - lots of 454-1 votes.

    His positions are complex - e.g. for free trade but not those thick sovereignty destroying treaties.

    Does he have a chance? It depends on whether everyone is tired of the two party gamesmanship. I may spend part of next winter in Iowa which isn’t too far away. Others will have to worry about AZ and NH.

    Lou Dobbs (War on the Middle Class) complains the same way that both parties are bought and paid for by corporations. I think he is right, and Reagan Democrats - blue collar conservatives, white collar outsourcing victims and others could coalese around RP.

    But we won’t know if we don’t try.

  27. Pixiedust January 18, 2007 11:23 am

    Please don’t give in to defeatism before we’ve even commited to the effort. Money can’t replace real grassroots activism. And that’s what we have to work with.

    Believe it or not, there are some good Republicans, Democrats and Independents. They’ve been splintered and divided just as the rest of us have. Ron Paul ran for President as a Libertarian in the late ’80’s. He was elected on a Republican ticket for representative, but he still kept his core values. We don’t need a new marginalized and ineffective party. We have enough of those already.

    I personally would like to see a split ticket—whether it’s with a Democrat, or Indepentent is secondary—to unite the country around the most fundamental issues facing average, working Americans and small business owners—which Dr. Paul represents. I don’t think it’s a realistic wish, but it’s time to think outside the box.

    Let’s work with what we have and not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Otherwise we’ve lost without really trying.

  28. Ranwho January 18, 2007 12:40 pm

    Pixiedust you are absolutely right. Change comes from the people not parties.

    ie, Look at MADD, it was one woman who lost her son to a drunk driver who created this organization. This caused huge change on how we looked at driving while intoxicated. One person made a difference…

    If we give in before even trying then we have given all the power back back to the goverment.

    WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERMENT, we elect them (not counting the last two elections) and we vote them out.

    If we want our country back we must take a stand and not give in to “defeatism”

  29. Breck January 18, 2007 2:20 pm

    Ponzi, I am sorry that it took The Honorable Dr. Ron Paul to switch you from John Edwards. Whereas Dr. Paul is a real person, Edwards is just another one of those politicians who either don’t “get it” or elses know “it” and have joined the “Demopublicans”.

    I got Edwards number early on. If he was really committed to a better America, there are several issues which are more important than “Poverty”. Emphasizing “Poverty” when we are watching the Bill of Rights destroyed is misdirected to say the least! I’m all for a better shake for all middle and lower class Americans, but you can’t very well have a better economy and more equality in earnings, etc. when you are in danger of being hauled off to the gulag.

    Any politician of any party…I repeat ANY POLITICIAN OF ANY PARTY that is not talking about:
    1) The Federal Reserve
    2) The IRS
    3) The Secret Government behind the Kennedy Assassinations and 9/11
    4) The Patriot Acts and the Military Commissions Act
    5) Black Box Voting
    is not a statesman and latter day patriot.

    Edwards is an old-timey “populist” politician trying to find a “voice” for himself that he thinks will “resonate” with the American People.

    Breck

  30. rabach January 18, 2007 3:15 pm

    VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN 2008!!!

    Of course I will probably have to write him in. I wonder if we started spreading the word about Ron Paul all over if there would be a chance he could be on the ballot. Even if he became well known and had millions upon millions of Americans listen to his speeches than perhaps it would be a small/large victory. There are so many dumb-downed Americans who do not have the slightest clue about our true society. Ron Paul has my vote.

    Rabach

  31. the stranger January 18, 2007 5:42 pm

    Man, I got some catching up…

    I don’t know if I could vote for Ron Paul, I like him too much; seems kind of mean. I didn’t know Hoyt wrote Greenback Dollar. I don’t have any of his stuff now, used to have a stack of Axton vinyl; love that guy. Thanks for bringing him back into my consciousness Muleskinner.

    Obama seems semi-genuine to me (no Ron Paul of course) but he seems made for the system. Maybe instead of being shredded he’ll just be assimilated. Perhaps a Biden & Obama ticket is in the cards; that could do well – from a bullshit mainstream perspective that is.

    Ron Paul needs a party though; how about the anti-Bullshit Party? Ventura could be his advisor, the equivalent of Karl Rove (but he can’t kill anyone). Jim Sinclair his vice president; James Turk for Secretary of Treasure; Bill Murphy Secretary of Defense; Schwarzenegger for Secretary of State (hey, better than that squeaky voice we got). Wait a minute! The next election is two years away, will we even have a country?

  32. brutlestrudle January 18, 2007 7:38 pm

    Whatever we do,We gotta do it now. I may be throwing my vote away by voting for Paul but I WILL be throwing my vote away by voting mainstream.

  33. the stranger January 18, 2007 9:33 pm

    Too true brutlestrudle, and Breck’s right, "the next day’s news brings even more assaults on American’s liberties."
    Political Bloggers Could Be Required To Register Or Face Jail Time

    ouch!

  34. ostrich January 18, 2007 10:50 pm

    please wake up USA this is your last chance for hope because if you cannot wake up the sheeples your destiny is/will be ……………destitute and then it spills over to the north while you rape us for oil and water because the ayrian rulers in Canada who may end up with a majority will do what ever the FED or W want them to do.
    Please,Please do what you can to get the values of
    Ron and Ralph out there. Compose rap songs or what ever it takes because if they don’t do it now and your electorate doesn’t get it before the primaries and elections then North America is freakin doomed

  35. muleskinner January 19, 2007 7:21 am

    ‘Where freedom lie, there be my home’- Benjamin Franklin

    You defend freedom above all else. If there is no freedom anymore in murka, there is no use in defending her.

    Defend freedom first, the Constitution second.

    ‘When in the course of human events…’

    If the corrupt US gov meets its demise, that is just too bad.

    That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

    ‘Live free or die’

    That goes for the US gov too.

    First, they came for the political bloggers

    But, I wasn’t a political blogger, so I didn’t speak up…

  36. kia January 19, 2007 8:24 am

    Stranger (#33) and Muleskinner (#35),

    The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a
    giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation.
    At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as
    ‘international bankers.’ This little coterie… run our government for
    their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen…[and] seizes… our executive officers… legislative bodies… schools… courts… newspapers and every agency created for the public protection. - John F. Hylan

    “I want my country back” - Greg Brown

  37. kia January 19, 2007 8:25 am

    One more from one of our founding fathers:

    Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and
    murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit
    suicide. - John Adams

  38. kia January 19, 2007 9:40 am

    A VOTE OF “NO CONFIDENCE”, PART I
    by Hon. Ron Paul of Texas
    Before the U.S. House of Representatives

    The financial press, and even the network news shows, have begun reporting the price of gold regularly. For twenty years, between 1980 and 2000, the price of gold was rarely mentioned. There was little interest, and the price was either falling or remaining steady.

    Since 2001 however, interest in gold has soared along with its price. With the price now over $600 an ounce, a lot more people are becoming interested in gold as an investment and an economic indicator. Much can be learned by understanding what the rising dollar price of gold means.

    The rise in gold prices from $250 per ounce in 2001 to over $600 today has drawn investors and speculators into the precious metals market. Though many already have made handsome profits, buying gold per se should not be touted as a good investment. After all, gold earns no interest and its quality never changes. It’s static, and does not grow as sound investments should.

    It’s more accurate to say that one might invest in a gold or silver mining company, where management, labor costs, and the nature of new discoveries all play a vital role in determining the quality of the investment and the profits made.

    Buying gold and holding it is somewhat analogous to converting one’s savings into one hundred dollar bills and hiding them under the mattress - yet not exactly the same. Both gold and dollars are considered money, and holding money does not qualify as an investment. There’s a big difference between the two however, since by holding paper money one loses purchasing power. The purchasing power of commodity money, i.e. gold, however, goes up if the government devalues the circulating fiat currency.

    Holding gold is protection or insurance against government’s proclivity to debase its currency. The purchasing power of gold goes up not because it’s a so-called good investment; it goes up in value only because the paper currency goes down in value. In our current situation, that means the dollar.

    One of the characteristics of commodity money - one that originated naturally in the marketplace - is that it must serve as a store of value. Gold and silver meet that test - paper does not. Because of this profound difference, the incentive and wisdom of holding emergency funds in the form of gold becomes attractive when the official currency is being devalued. It’s more attractive than trying to save wealth in the form of a fiat currency, even when earning some nominal interest. The lack of earned interest on gold is not a problem once people realize the purchasing power of their currency is declining faster than the interest rates they might earn. The purchasing power of gold can rise even faster than increases in the cost of living.

    The point is that most who buy gold do so to protect against a depreciating currency rather than as an investment in the classical sense. Americans understand this less than citizens of other countries; some nations have suffered from severe monetary inflation that literally led to the destruction of their national currency. Though our inflation - i.e. the depreciation of the U.S. dollar - has been insidious, average Americans are unaware of how this occurs. For instance, few Americans know nor seem concerned that the 1913 pre-Federal Reserve dollar is now worth only four cents. Officially, our central bankers and our politicians express no fear that the course on which we are set is fraught with great danger to our economy and our political system. The belief that money created out of thin air can work economic miracles, if only properly “managed,” is pervasive in D.C.

    In many ways we shouldn’t be surprised about this trust in such an unsound system. For at least four generations our government-run universities have systematically preached a monetary doctrine justifying the so-called wisdom of paper money over the “foolishness” of sound money. Not only that, paper money has worked surprisingly well in the past 35 years - the years the world has accepted pure paper money as currency. Alan Greenspan bragged that central bankers in these several decades have gained the knowledge necessary to make paper money respond as if it were gold. This removes the problem of obtaining gold to back currency, and hence frees politicians from the rigid discipline a gold standard imposes.

    Many central bankers in the last 15 years became so confident they had achieved this milestone that they sold off large hoards of their gold reserves. At other times they tried to prove that paper works better than gold by artificially propping up the dollar by suppressing market gold prices. This recent deception failed just as it did in the 1960s, when our government tried to hold gold artificially low at $35 an ounce. But since they could not truly repeal the economic laws regarding money, just as many central bankers sold, others bought. It’s fascinating that the European central banks sold gold while Asian central banks bought it over the last several years.

    Since gold has proven to be the real money of the ages, we see once again a shift in wealth from the West to the East, just as we saw a loss of our industrial base in the same direction. Though Treasury officials deny any U.S. sales or loans of our official gold holdings, no audits are permitted so no one can be certain.

    The special nature of the dollar as the reserve currency of the world has allowed this game to last longer than it would have otherwise. But the fact that gold has gone from $252 per ounce to over $600 means there is concern about the future of the dollar. The higher the price for gold, the greater the concern for the dollar. Instead of dwelling on the dollar price of gold, we should be talking about the depreciation of the dollar. In 1934 a dollar was worth 1/20th of an ounce of gold; $20 bought an ounce of gold. Today a dollar is worth 1/600th of an ounce of gold, meaning it takes $600 to buy one ounce of gold.

    The number of dollars created by the Federal Reserve, and through the fractional reserve banking system, is crucial in determining how the market assesses the relationship of the dollar and gold. Though there’s a strong correlation, it’s not instantaneous or perfectly predictable. There are many variables to consider, but in the long term the dollar price of gold represents past inflation of the money supply. Equally important, it represents the anticipation of how much new money will be created in the future. This introduces the factor of trust and confidence in our monetary authorities and our politicians. And these days the American people are casting a vote of “no confidence” in this regard, and for good reasons.

    The incentive for central bankers to create new money out of thin air is twofold. One is to practice central economic planning through the manipulation of interest rates. The second is to monetize the escalating federal debt politicians create and thrive on.

    Today no one in Washington believes for a minute that runaway deficits are going to be curtailed. In March alone, the federal government created an historic $85 billion deficit. The current supplemental bill going through Congress has grown from $92 billion to over $106 billion, and everyone knows it will not draw President Bush’s first veto. Most knowledgeable people therefore assume that inflation of the money supply is not only going to continue, but accelerate. This anticipation, plus the fact that many new dollars have been created over the past 15 years that have not yet been fully discounted, guarantees the further depreciation of the dollar in terms of gold.

    There’s no single measurement that reveals what the Fed has done in the recent past or tells us exactly what it’s about to do in the future. Forget about the lip service given to transparency by new Fed Chairman Bernanke. Not only is this administration one of the most secretive across the board in our history, the current Fed firmly supports denying the most important measurement of current monetary policy to Congress, the financial community, and the American public. Because of a lack of interest and poor understanding of monetary policy, Congress has expressed essentially no concern about the significant change in reporting statistics on the money supply.

    Beginning in March, though planned before Bernanke arrived at the Fed, the central bank discontinued compiling and reporting the monetary aggregate known as M3. M3 is the best description of how quickly the Fed is creating new money and credit. Common sense tells us that a government central bank creating new money out of thin air depreciates the value of each dollar in circulation. Yet this report is no longer available to us and Congress makes no demands to receive it.

    Though M3 is the most helpful statistic to track Fed activity, it by no means tells us everything we need to know about trends in monetary policy. Total bank credit, still available to us, gives us indirect information reflecting the Fed’s inflationary policies. But ultimately the markets will figure out exactly what the Fed is up to, and then individuals, financial institutions, governments, and other central bankers will act accordingly. The fact that our money supply is rising significantly cannot be hidden from the markets.

    The response in time will drive the dollar down, while driving interest rates and commodity prices up. Already we see this trend developing, which surely will accelerate in the not too distant future. Part of this reaction will be from those who seek a haven to protect their wealth - not invest - by treating gold and silver as universal and historic money. This means holding fewer dollars that are decreasing in value while holding gold as it increases in value.

    A soaring gold price is a vote of “no confidence” in the central bank and the dollar. This certainly was the case in 1979 and 1980. Today, gold prices reflect a growing restlessness with the increasing money supply, our budgetary and trade deficits, our unfunded liabilities, and the inability of Congress and the administration to reign in runaway spending.

    Denying us statistical information, manipulating interest rates, and artificially trying to keep gold prices in check won’t help in the long run. If the markets are fooled short term, it only means the adjustments will be much more dramatic later on. And in the meantime, other market imbalances develop.

    The Fed tries to keep the consumer spending spree going, not through hard work and savings, but by creating artificial wealth in stock markets bubbles and housing bubbles. When these distortions run their course and are discovered, the corrections will be quite painful.

    Likewise, a fiat monetary system encourages speculation and unsound borrowing. As problems develop, scapegoats are sought and frequently found in foreign nations. This prompts many to demand altering exchange rates and protectionist measures. The sentiment for this type of solution is growing each day.

    Though everyone decries inflation, trade imbalances, economic downturns, and federal deficits, few attempt a closer study of our monetary system and how these events are interrelated. Even if it were recognized that a gold standard without monetary inflation would be advantageous, few in Washington would accept the political disadvantages of living with the discipline of gold - since it serves as a check on government size and power. This is a sad commentary on the politics of today. The best analogy to our affinity for government spending, borrowing, and inflating is that of a drug addict who knows if he doesn’t quit he’ll die; yet he can’t quit because of the heavy price required to overcome the dependency. The right choice is very difficult, but remaining addicted to drugs guarantees the death of the patient, while our addiction to deficit spending, debt, and inflation guarantees the collapse of our economy.

    Special interest groups, who vigorously compete for federal dollars, want to perpetuate the system rather than admit to a dangerous addiction. Those who champion welfare for the poor, entitlements for the middle class, or war contracts for the military industrial corporations, all agree on the so-called benefits bestowed by the Fed’s power to counterfeit fiat money. Bankers, who benefit from our fractional reserve system, likewise never criticize the Fed, especially since it’s the lender of last resort that bails out financial institutions when crises arise. And it’s true, special interests and bankers do benefit from the Fed, and may well get bailed out - just as we saw with the Long-Term Capital Management fund crisis a few years ago. In the past, companies like Lockheed and Chrysler benefited as well. But what the Fed cannot do is guarantee the market will maintain trust in the worthiness of the dollar. Current policy guarantees that the integrity of the dollar will be undermined. Exactly when this will occur, and the extent of the resulting damage to financial system, cannot be known for sure - but it is coming. There are plenty of indications already on the horizon.

    Foreign policy plays a significant role in the economy and the value of the dollar. A foreign policy of militarism and empire building cannot be supported through direct taxation. The American people would never tolerate the taxes required to pay immediately for overseas wars, under the discipline of a gold standard. Borrowing and creating new money is much more politically palatable. It hides and delays the real costs of war, and the people are lulled into complacency - especially since the wars we fight are couched in terms of patriotism, spreading the ideas of freedom, and stamping out terrorism. Unnecessary wars and fiat currencies go hand-in-hand, while a gold standard encourages a sensible foreign policy.

    To be continued next week…

    Congressman Ron Paul
    for The Daily Reckoning

  39. old timer January 19, 2007 11:04 am

    Ron Paul displays personal integrity, something that is corroded by the electoral process.

    If he has a chance to awaken serious concern for the loss of our civil liberties, and concerns for the control of our economic future, he will accomplish an enormous amount.

    However, an email to him on the day FOX News announced his candidacy, offering support and donations of time and money has gone unacknowledged.

    He’s got to be serious, and he’s got to work for this.

    There is so much power riding on keeping America-at-large in the dark, in debt, and dumb.

    Ron Paul could be viewed as a great threat by the current ‘controllers’;
    demopublicans and republicrats alike.

    There is no time to waste.

    If this is to happen, it’s got to start now.

  40. FeelingWeird January 19, 2007 11:17 am

    This is a cut and past of some email correspondance I am having with Dr. Paul’s exploratory commitee. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MICHAEL for this timely post. Sincerely Michael; THANK YOU!!!

    It will be through grass roots organization like this, that we can propel Dr Paul to top billing notariaty. Think about how quickly Howard Dean came out of nowhere and scared the living hell out of the mainstream Democrats! They did everything they could to shut that guy up, but the grassroots organization behind him was to cunning and too computer savy to be beaten. It took an all out media blitz to finally silence the man, and now he is chairman of the DNC. That should be our goal, to be so FUCKING loud and in their face, that they can’t ignore us anymore.

    And unlike Howard Dead, OUR IDEAS will win over middle America because they are the BEST ideas to save this country.

    Bob /CORP/Dana
    01/19/2007 02:16 PM
    To
    mail@ronpaulexplore.com
    cc

    Subject
    Just an FYI on some of the possitive Buzz that is already starting out there.

    http://www.bullnotbull.com/blog/?p=96

    If we can just find enough people to push this through the grass roots, I really believe he has a chance. Fight for this Mr Paul, America really needs you as a catylist to pull us all together. I know you can’t do it alone. But give us all a chance to at least show you there is some fight left in this country.

    ROBERT
    Corporate LAN Team
    Global Information Technology Group

    Bob /CORP/
    01/18/2007 08:38 AM
    To
    Ron Paul 2008 PEC @CORPSMTP
    cc

    Subject
    RE: Thank you Congressman Paul!

    I will wait to hear from you.

    I have already received a pledge from a pretty well read website called BullnotBull.com(run by Michael Nystrom) to help in any kind of website advertising. This website is very vocal of it’s support of Austrian economics and Michael has voiced his favorable opinion of Congressman Paul. He said that we could use his website to post advertising or links to information about his candidacy.

    I am still waiting on a few other sites to respond to me.

    Good luck, and God bless you!

    ROBERT
    Corporate LAN Team
    Global Information Technology Group

    Ron Paul 2008 PEC
    01/17/2007 11:35 PM
    To

    cc

    Subject
    RE: Thank you Congressman Paul!

    Dear Mr. Robert,

    Thank you for contacting the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Exploratory Committee, and thank you for your kind words regarding Dr. Paul and your expression that you would like to volunteer. The exploratory committee was formed on Thursday January 11 and is moving forward quickly. Please be assured that you will be contacted soon about your offer to volunteer.

    Regarding your interest in contributing to the exploratory committee, contributions may be mailed to the following address:

    Ron Paul 2008 PEC
    837 W. Plantation Drive
    Clute, TX 77531

    -Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Exploratory Committee
    http://www.RonPaulExplore.com/
    mail@RonPaulExplore.com

    Dear Congressman Paul;

    You have given me hope that this country can still have hope. I have waited 8 long years to hear that you are considering a run for the Presidency. Better late than never. Never has this country needed someone like you.

    I don’t have a whole lot of money unfortunately, but I pledge to you as much of my time as I can spare. I will do anything in my power to see you at least make it to the stage with the other Republicans, or if you decide to go independent, I would whole heatedly support you there.

    I can probably spare 20 or maybe 50 dollars for the cause, but I hope that my time will be worth much more. I am VERY computer savvy, as I am a professional Computer Network technician. I would be great for setting up war rooms with any kind of PCs or servers/switches. I have a pretty good presence on the web in various freedom loving websites and can use my writing abilities to spread the word of your candidacy.

    I cannot tell you how hopeful I am that you are considering this. I pray to God that you can get this off of the ground. I get the very uneasy feeling that if you can’t do it, no one will.

    Please contact me at this email address for immediate responses.. Thank you in advance.

    ROBERT Team
    Global Information Technology Group

  41. bp January 19, 2007 11:36 am
  42. FeelingWeird January 19, 2007 11:52 am

    Never in my 3 1/2 years of frequenting this site have I ever heard us all AGREE on something!!! That has to be significant, don’t you think?

    I know I am setting myself up for a big fall, but at this point and time I care not. I am going to give myself fully to this effort, and if in the end Dr Paul is discraced by some sleezy typical bullcrap major media markup, so be it, I will have at least tried.

    This is the first person in probably a decade and a half that I have felt this passionatly about someone. The last time was Ross Perot, and back then I was so much more naive about how things worked. I feel I am coming into this with eyes WIDE open. I understand what is at stake. I feel very strongly that if Dr Paul doesn’t make it out of the starting gate, that for all instensive purposes, this country is dead. Please contact the Ron Paul Exploratory commitee and volunteer your time OR YOUR MONEY!!! Even 20 bucks may make an early difference. I am going to try and get 50 dollars to the campaign as quickly as I can.

    mail@ronpaulexplore.com

    I’ll leave you with some of my favorite quotes.

    “the freedom tree is watered by the blood of both patriots and tyrants alike.”… Author Unknown?

    And this was added more recently

    “TIME TO WATER THE TREE!!!”, author unknown.

    “Those that would choose security over freedom DESERVE NEITHER!!”, I think this was Benjamin Franklin.

    Robert NW Ohio(who is actually feeling optomistic for once)

  43. A January 19, 2007 12:25 pm

    It will make a big difference if Dep. Paul puts in a clearly way what are his ideas about the Doha talks and WTO.
    As a plus, how are he planning to improve in te Dolar :
    a) Reserve of value;
    b) Unit of count;
    c) Liberatory power.

    By far , as far as Andromeda, the best possible candidate to the World.

  44. Administrator January 19, 2007 12:28 pm

    Thank you Robert. I agree - it is kind of strange to have everyone in agreement. Even Rich says he’s going to register to vote!

    Michael

  45. Nick E January 19, 2007 12:41 pm

    Most people that know his background know he would be the best person for the job. Bush wants to be dictator. We need to go back to some of the root values this great country was founded upon. Basically the US has became what we tried to originally escape from, and that was rule by a King. Remember the Boston Tea Party protesting high taxes paid on tea, well wake up America — we already pay insanely high taxes on everything from sales tax, property tax, and income tax. I doubt Ron Paul will make it, but if he did it would be a God send for this country.

    If he makes it I would encourage of single person I know to go vote for him, and I would myself in a heartbeat.

  46. Narsi Venkat January 19, 2007 12:43 pm

    If the housing market unwinds the way it has been projected by Jim Willie he might get the official nomination from the party itself. Nobody benefits by seeing the US economy getting flushed. Somebody with an agenda and within their own party - I think the Republicans should be elated. Not that Mr. Paul can unwind this 94 year old mess in one term - but a step in the right direction can give us a few more centuries of prosperity.

  47. skeptical January 19, 2007 12:48 pm

    old timer “If he has a chance to awaken serious concern for the loss of our civil liberties”

    Old timer I hate to pick on you but I wish “people” would quit referring to their unalienable rights as CIVIL LIBERTIES. You have rights. Did the government create you or did God? Rights come from your creator not some government entity who is determined to rule over you. Civil liberties are those “priveledges” that governments give to their creations that they can take back any time they want to - hence the loss of some many “civil liberties” under the patriot act, et al and no the loss of habeas corpus.

    This is almost as bad as everyone running around trying to save the “democracy” (this country was founded as a republic when and how did it become a democracy?).

    When people who care and are even slightly “educated” on matters of such importance make these kinds of errors can you blame all the sheeple on the street for believing what they are told by the media and “their” government?

  48. Administrator January 19, 2007 2:53 pm

    This just in to my inbox from Aaron Russo:

    - - - - - - - - - -

    Dear AFTF Lovers of Liberty and Patriots,

    Good news travels fast!

    You may have heard that the Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is exploring running for the Republican nomination in 2008. Congressman Paul will be the only uncompromising defender of the Constitution in the race. I can’t tell you how grateful I felt, how full of heartfelt joy, and how much
    enthusiasm I felt when I heard the news of his candidacy. I am 1000% behind him!

    Ron Paul has stepped up to the plate because he knows what we all know: the noose is tightening, and there isn’t much time if we hope to restore to Constitutional Government.

    I called Ron yesterday to tell him I am on board to do ANYTHING it takes to support his campaign. NOW is the time for the ENTIRE Freedom Movement, all Third Parties, ALL GOOD AMERICANS EVERYWHERE, from all political stripes and persuasions, to unite to overtake the weakened Republican Party. Stand firmly behind Ron Paul, and work to restore our Constitutional Republic.

    Do not let partisan politics get in the way. No matter what your Party affiliation, we must support Ron Paul as the Candidate. Everything in the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism IS Ron Paul.

    In my conversation with Congressman Paul, I told him I’ll make copies of America: Freedom to Fascism available for his campaign. We will spread them far and wide.

    What better way to introduce him to the public than for him to talk to them in their own living rooms?! What better way to help awaken them to governmental intrusions into their private lives than to see it in their own homes?

    Congressman Ron Paul is the man with the strength to stay the course until Enemies, Foreign and Domestic, are put in their rightful place! There isn’t a better man for the job. He has an impeccable voting record. He is “right on,” on Freedom and Sovereignty issues.

    In a time of universal deceit, Congressman Paul dares to commit the revolutionary act of telling the truth. How refreshing!

    But now the work begins.

    Ron Paul needs not just our “affirmative nod,” he needs our time, energy, financial contributions, and willingness to see him win. He needs us to use our precious accrued “vacation time” to go to New Hampshire to knock on doors, pass out AFTF DVDs, to be as dedicated to helping him win as he is to running the race. His campaign must be organized District by District.

    The entire AFTF Network must focus on helping Ron Paul. You have already awakened a lot of Americans to the dangers we face. NOW, help me, won’t you, as I do everything within my means to promote the only HONEST, Constitutional American in the 2008 Presidential race.

    With the right Candidate and a passionate grassroots effort, it is possible to take over a weakened Republican Party. I’ve told you many times of how we overtook the Republican Party in my Gubernatorial race in Nevada. I KNOW it can be done!

    Well, HERE is that Candidate!

    NOW IS THE TIME to join with me and support Ron Paul. I’ve seen you at work. You can do this. WE can do this!

    I Am Most Sincerely Yours in Freedom,

    Aaron Russo

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - –

  49. Administrator January 19, 2007 3:02 pm

    Also - this great article on Wonkette:

    Save America! Ron Paul for President 2008!

    Michael

  50. mikeck44 January 19, 2007 3:40 pm

    Skeptical,
    Thank you, I sometimes feel like I’m the only one who cares about what kind of guvnmt we were given and are supposed to still have. RE: Ron Paul This is indeed good news. Like muelskinner, I had sworn to never again vote for a member of either branch of the tyranny party. I then changed my mind and said, unless I move to Paul’s district. Well, it now looks like I will not have to move.

    Can he win? as mentioned by others, that is not important. To have him out there presenting the message may be our last/best hope at restoring order in this once great beacon of freedom.

    Not to throw water on the fire, but after the elections of 2000 and 2004, I doubt he would serve one day in office if he got as much as 90% of the vote. Hum, maybe something like that would be the wake-up call we need.

  51. Dr. John January 19, 2007 4:21 pm

    I just read through this thread and for the first time, I Think there is hope for America. I have been to one of preview showings of Aaron Russo’s movie America: Freedom to Fascism and have done alot of reading about the dark powers that control our government. This grassroots interest is refreshing and exciting but the obstacles and powers that need to be overcome are formidable. There is much work to do but Ron Paul and what he represents could make it possible, even if it is only successful in creating a national dialogue. But if one gets alligned with the Truth, there is no telling what might happen.

  52. Rich January 19, 2007 4:34 pm

    Too funny Michael!

    You and I have followed him now for quite a few years, he’s the man. Ron Paul would be an incredible president. I kind of scratch my head with some of his perspective on immigration at times, and some of what he says can be a bit simplistic, but he is the ONLY candidate worth voting for.

    All American’s need to be educated on him and what he stands for.

    I’d be prepared to help the campaign here in the Northwest.

    Cheers Rich

  53. Shirley Gober January 19, 2007 5:07 pm

    IF we all get behind Ron Paul, I mean really behind him and push, pull, support and carry him over the finish line he will be our next president! Lord knows we need a good man for a change. We can do it and we must do it!

    SG

  54. barter this January 19, 2007 5:33 pm

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienabe rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are institued among men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government…

    ***To the leader of the Free World this is just a piece of paper. ***

    So what to do?

    Do we just hand “ALL” over to the emperior with no clothes? No, a dictator does not govern.

    or…

    Do we start a grassroots organization with the will of the people as the fore most thought of governing.

    I say go for it Dr. Ron Paul.

    The will of the people…
    The will of the people…
    The will of the people…

    Barter

  55. ostrich January 19, 2007 7:13 pm

    If you apply the old pyramid scheme and the 30 different posters on here convince two people each to vote for Ron and those 60 convince two people the next day and so on in 23 days you can convince 126 million voters to vote for Ron. I think 126m would be about 90% of the actual voters in the U.S.A.? Sounds corny but it may be the type of grass roots that works, long live the town hall.

  56. John Kozon January 19, 2007 7:53 pm

    Let’s vote for Ron Paul. Maybe God will help him win to save this country from the idiots who have been trying to destroy it. If God is with us who can be against us?

  57. larry January 19, 2007 8:07 pm

    STRANGER….wowow…scary stuff…great match of lyrics and melody…wish i could do that stuff…fantastic,i mean great, but veerrrrry scary…regarding dr.ron…and why not…this may be the last time the government lets us use the internet in an open format before they crack down…..with aaron russo ‘america freedom to fascism’,,,,,well maybe people would ask how’d it get this crazy?…rather than being sold by mainstream reps/dems that ron paul is a way out there cook…the public has not yet imagined the questions they actually need to ask…who better than the dr, to inform…i will be available…the primary initial goal should be to prevent mainstreamers from marginalizing the message of ron to thus render him lame….this OBJECTION must be overcome early in his campaign…we know the mainstreamers will attempt to discredit ron paul and lable him a kook….the subjects that ron will discuss will be alien to many americans…eg,fiat currency,dollar devaluation,unsound money,irresponsible government will need defining,ruling elite will need exploration and definition,corpratism will need explaining in honest ways…surcumvention of constitutional precepts by unelected faceless beauracrats examined..creation of the amero brought into discussion…racket of war and connection to bankers and politicians understood….government mind manipulation using the dialectic and false flags and hollow symbols…lose of constitutional liberties…ON AND ON..all of it…”give em somethin ta talk about!”yes i am believing ron paul is more than a decent man with honest insite,based on historical studies of governments and economies…he is that common sense,understated leader,in a world gone mad,that is needed now…he is ready, able, willing and uniquely qualified….”YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH,SON!”

  58. FeelingWeird January 20, 2007 6:31 am

    Does anyone know if he has commented AT ALL on on the 9/11 conspiracy?? I know, we all know the truth, and I am guessing Dr Paul does also. But this, quicker than anything will marginalize him, if he has said anything other than incompetance is responsible for 9/11.

    Also, regarding Aaron Russo. I LOVED “America: freedom to fascism”, but I don’t like the idea of Aarron having a leading role in defining Dr Paul to the masses.

    He is EXACTLY the type of person the mainstream will key on and discredit Dr Paul. It is IMPERATIVE to get this candidacy out of the gates and MONEY and PERCEPTION are going to rule whether that happens.

    He more than anyone will have to be so careful about how his early perception is relayed to the public. The things he stands for JUST DON’T TRANSLATE to the 5 second news cycle. It will take time for him to make an impression, and TIME IS MONEY. As soon as his website is up I IMPLORE ALL OF YOU TO MAKE AT LEAST A 20 DOLLAR DONATION. Money will get this campaign going.

    I’ll keep you posted as to when they have an online presense. Also, anyone out there a WEB MASTER?? I can volunteer your name to the exploratory comittee. TIME IS EVERYTHING..

    Robert NW Ohio

  59. FeelingWeird January 20, 2007 6:57 am

    Just an FYI on the Republican Primaries..

    January 21: Iowa
    January 28: New Hampshire
    February 5: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and West Virginia.

    REMEMBER YOU MUST REGISTER AS A REPUBLICAN to vote in primaries. DO IT NOW, tell everyone you know this information and get them registered… WHO CARES WHAT YOU PRIOR AFFILIATION WAS. Anyone can register republican. Swallow you freaking pride and do it.. I know its like a vampire having holy water thrown at you, BUT DO IT ANYWAYS.

    Robert NW Ohio

  60. ostrich January 20, 2007 8:45 am

    I convinced four people who have never heard of Dr.Ron to vote for him at the pub last night. Unfortunately they are Canadian and can’t vote. Okay bloggers how many people did each of you convince to vote for Dr. Ron?….time is a waisten. The pyramid may work, but as I said it takes one helluva a lot of PR to win - quit typing and get moving on this every day counts. Good luck from the once great white north.

  61. Huntsman January 20, 2007 6:28 pm

    To those who have commented about having a third party - please be aware that this could cause the Republican candidate to lose some votes that he(she?) might have gotten and thereby allow someone (Hitlery?) to get in without a majority. It has happened in the past.

  62. muleskinner January 21, 2007 8:47 am

    We aren’t in Kansas anymore. Sam Brownnose wants to be the Preznit. He’s going to follow the yellow brick road.

    Sillary wants to be Preznit. She’s the smartest woman alive. Which makes her the dumbest woman alive.

    A few hats in the ring already.

    Here’s what should be done: Place all of the names of eligible voters into a hat, pull one out, and that is who is the president.

    No more hats in the ring, just one hat necessary to make the choice.

    The new president will be unable to claim any political party. He or she can only uphold the Constitution.

    You take an oath to uphold the Constitution, nothing else.

    No ‘Republicants’ there. No Demoncrats there in that office. Just a regular ‘Joe’ sitting there pondering what to do next. The results will be an improvement over what is there now. At least he or she would know that discretion is the better part of valor. The current nitwit in there knows nothing about valor, just drinking and drugging all of his life.

    The Shadow Government would be aghast.

    Joy to the world.

    Joy to you and me.

    Joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea.

    Joy to you and me.

    Another great song by Hoyt.

  63. muleskinner January 21, 2007 8:52 am

    One more thought:

    One hat full of names would save a great deal of time and money too.

    All of the time and money is wasted anyways with these ridiculous selections that have been going on for the past six years or so.

  64. kia January 21, 2007 9:28 am

    muleskinner,

    didn’t you know that presidential selections are plays put on by Texas for the rest of the nation every four years?

    Presidential elections are mass distractions
    from the action behind the scenes

    Like a game of chess when the house is a mess

    or a petty money squabble when your marriage is in trouble

    Or a football game when there’s rioting in the streets

    -Timbuckthree

  65. muleskinner January 21, 2007 12:22 pm

    I try to be a stoic and not a cynic. Complacency lulls you into a false sense of security.

    Call me an eternal optimist for ignoring the awful truth.

  66. the stranger January 21, 2007 1:36 pm

    It’s my contention that no political solutions exist for the troubles in our way; but, sometimes I’m wrong.

    You know, it is interesting the awareness and agreement on Ron Paul at this website. Seems it’s from the monetary perspective that folks recognize the constitutional, fundamental importance of Ron Paul’s positions. It’s not just this website; you see and read about Ron Paul in other financial website locations. So he may already be wider known, albeit unconventionally, than we realize. And Howard Dean was a good analogy; as an internet phenomenon I mean. So hell, unfurl the sails…

    Michael, perhaps a good first move is a link to his campaign; donation support. Next, get as many websites as possible to link. A small, simple, appropriate banner, could ensure the promotion is disseminated with uniformity (authorized by Paul’s campaign of course). It would be a strong, visual introduction that America actually has a real candidate.

  67. Rich January 21, 2007 6:34 pm

    Anyone who is against Fed ownership of the US and the World is for Ron Paul, I guess that amounts to a lot of people nowadays!

    I think the Internet has done more in the past 5 or so years to educate the peeps on the Fed Ponzi scheme than anything that came before it.

    The truth must out over time, the people want the truth. We’re in a race between lies and totalitarianism, and truth and freedom.

    Cheers Rich

  68. Philly Dave January 22, 2007 12:48 am

    I was saying last year to a friend that the nation was ripe for a “Ross Perot” candidacy. Perot was a bit of a nutjob, but he did tap into something and his anti Beltway rhetoric resonated with alot of people.

    Howard Dean to some extent proved the power of the internet in campaigns (and that did not go unnoticed as the anti free speechers are seeking to regulatepolitical activism on the internet).

    If nothing else, perhaps some people will get educated and it could even be a whole lotta fun ;)

  69. kia January 22, 2007 11:50 am

    The 23rd Qualm

    (Written by a retired Methodist minister.)

    Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
    He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
    He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
    He restoreth my fears.
    He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego’s sake.
    Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,
    I will find no exit, for Bush art in office.
    His tax cuts for the rich and his media control, they discomfort me.
    He preparest an agenda of deception in the presence of his religion.
    He anointest my head with foreign oil.
    My health insurance runneth out.
    Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days of his term,
    And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever

    Time to get our country back

  70. zephyr January 22, 2007 12:04 pm

    The only time a 3rd party candidate has a chance is during periods of real discontent. Well, we’re at that point and then some. But a 3rd partier must have some sort of name recognition with real charisma, and alot of dough helps. If someone could be found who got some people of notoriety behind him or her, well, we could be in business. I mean, why not? People are so damn disgusted, maybe this is the time for something different, something daring. But the stars have to align perfectly if you know what I mean.

    As far as McCain goes, I have lost all respect for him and Lieberman. I am so greatly saddened that both of those once honorable men have sold their souls. Ron Paul would be great but he can’t do it alone. The Republi-neocons will skewer him come primary season. Maybe if he were on the ticket with someone with a name. And Ron Paul finally proves that something good can actually come out of Texas instead of just overblown egos and hype. And have you ever seen some Texas women? They look like they just came from the rodeo working as the rodeo clown. My wife and I have always said when you seen a women with really garrishly colorful outfits, odds are strong she’s a Texan. Sorry, but it’s true….I covered the Republican elections in 2000 and 2004. The Texas delegation must be colorblind because no one in their right mind would dress like that. Also, minorities are generally seated next to a mirror at Republican conventions. Say what you will about Democrats, they are crooked too, but at least everybody is well represented at their conventions. I covered Boston in 2004 and can attest to that.

  71. PB45 January 22, 2007 8:32 pm

    Hello Posters,
    The power of Ron Paul dwells in his potential ability in demonstrating to people that there are choices. Heroes and patriots dare to be skewered by definition.
    The country needs a jolt. Not only the cluessless dishonest RepubliDems, the electorate needs to shaken from the illusion that we are only just lemmings ready for the cliffs.
    Ron Paul will illuminate to the people stark real and unmasked issues. He will put the full glare of sunlight on the inequities and politically inspired ripoffs.
    Most people are honest, they believe in our system and this allows the maggots in office to continue.
    Even if Ron Paul doesnt stand a chance as our Revolutionary forefathers had none as well, maybe he will serve as a role model for the silent majority to get up and scream “We are fed up and wont take it anymore!”
    Kia your 23 Qualm in post #69 was so well timed for just the situation I just cited.
    THPBe will shrink from a well organized and well funded Paul candidacy that will expose them. They will never dare to debate or even acknowledge him as they cannot stand his scrutiny. The task as I see it is to get the middle Americans, farmers, previously misguided church leaders, disgruntled unions, dislocated workers, the minorities to open their eyes to his/our truth.
    Truth is a great healer and no scam can stand up to it.
    The test is in the organization of Mr. Paul’s candidacy. The interet is perfect for that. Already a poster here offered his computer talents for free, many offered support both in word and deed, others offered financially which oils the Paul machinery.
    I beleieve that most people will contribute especially the honest businesses and the disheartened silent majority that IS America today. I know I will, for all is lost us already.
    Why would they not risk $100 or $1,000 USD$ now when they can save all their hard earned money with the proper leadership?
    Think of all the Fema mishandled people from New Orleans, or the seniors that Bernanke basically just told them forget about SSS or Medicare soon. The baby boomers who will need to work till they drop. Or the 28 yr old that has 2 jobs trying to save a house that he could never afford although he told he could.
    Who does support the Reps & Dems really? I dont think even the 1 out of 3 Americans that work for govt want to truly vote for them. they know if SSS goes so will GSIS as well.
    The weak strike the strong when the strong are asleep with the false sense of security they think they have.
    I urge all here, starting with Michael to start a network individuall or collectively spreading the Paul doctrine and actively recruiting. This extends to public employees, minorities and other disenfranchised groups because we all have the same American life to loose.
    We have lost our freedoms one by one. We are yoked by laws, acts and treaties we were not even consulted about. We are taxed in every conceivable manner and form and are told it must be more or we loose SSS. Excuse me but we were told that in 1984.
    What do we have to loose anyway? It has been taken already.
    Remember “the bird is very safe in his cage, but he has NO freedom”/Peter

  72. FeelingWeird January 23, 2007 5:36 am

    Peter:

    Your last statement is very important I think, as to whether Ron Paul has a chance or not.

    Would American rather trade “a walk on part in the war, FOR A LEADING ROLE IN A CAGE”. As Pink Floyd so eloquently put it.

    Is America so far gone, that the prospects of a truly FREE America scare the living hell out of them. We’ll see.. I hope to God that at least 33.3% of the people are not that far gone yet. Because I think this candidacy has no choice but to eventualy move to the Independent arena. I can already see it happening. They are not going to FLAME Dr Ron Paul, they aren’t going to smear him.

    THEY ARE GOING TO IGNORE HIM ALL TOGETHER. For if they actually acknowledge his presense, they know they are in big big trouble.

    We will be forced to take the battle to them. ANYTIME you see an online poll asking who would you consider for Republican candidate. VOTE FOR RON. Everytime a talk show host brings up the topic of politics. CALL AND TALK ABOUT RON. Any time you are with a bunch of friends and the topic turns to politics, SAY RON PAUL.

    Use any and all means to get his name into the public discourse. That’s the only way we have a chance of pushing this candidacy into the lime light..

    Robert NW Ohio

  73. kia January 23, 2007 9:59 am

    PB45,

    Huxley, Vonnegut, and Orwell all warned me about our current circumstances, so I should not be surprised.

    The only way forward that I see is to prune the Federal gov’t back to the rights granted it under the Constitution: print money, provide for the common defense, and regulate interstate commerce. Getting their fingers out of all the other pies will yield lobbyist influence peddling moot.

    Part and parcel of this approach would be to discontinue the outsourcing of the printing of money, the privatization of war and gerrymandering of the “free” market.

    Peace

  74. bp January 23, 2007 11:02 am

    probably worth watching if you haven’t seen it before - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3799314405910661612&q=moyers+secret+government

  75. zephyr January 23, 2007 11:11 am

    Kia, if only it were possible. So many jobs are tied into the govt and defense industry that it just won’t happen. In the 90’s, after the Soviets went bye-bye many people spoke of finally cutting some defense spending and diverting the money to other areas desperately in need of finance. But that would have required shutting down contractors, resulting in the mega-loss of jobs. Here in Connecticut, folks went bullshit over the real possibility of shutting down plants and that’s where Senators Lieberman and Dodd rode their white horses to the rescue to save defense contracts. This type of thing happened throughout the country.

    So, many people wanted cuts, just not in my backyard….a very familiar theme. Then the neo-cons broke back into the White House and revved up the war machine again, just as they always do, looking here and there for backwater countries that were a “threat”, or were non-compliant, or whatever. We need to kick the shit out of some little nation from time to time just to show who’s boss, and of course, to use some of those weapons we build. Can’t just have those marvels of technology sitting around collecting dust, now can we?

    Also too much money in making money for that to stop. The govt is going to police itself? Business, Wall St and the feds are one and the same….the Holy Trinity of the US if you will. The game is too easy and too rigged for it not to continue.

    The only way for this to change is for people to revolt big time. But things have to get far worse unfortunately for that to happen. Or people would have to loose their cable and sat dishes. In the meantime, getting someone like Ron Paul into the Oval Office would be a fine start. But you have to know the PTB will never let that happen. But he can shake things up at debates during the primary season. Again though, most of the populace doesn’t watch the process. They would rather order a pizza, wash down their meds with some wine or a beer and then put their favorite mind candy on the boob tube.

    It’s going to be a long road uphill. Nonetheless, we must try, try, try and try some more. We have all of eternity to rest. This is too important to not do anything. Ciao!!

  76. kia January 23, 2007 3:25 pm

    Zephyr,

    So our Peace Dividend becam Perpetual War for Perpetual Peeace.

    Guess it doesn’t pay to sweat the inevitable.

    Ciao to you too!

  77. bp January 23, 2007 4:10 pm

    Zephyr, kia - sounds like we will have to let the patient go right up to death’s door to cure him, hard times ahead indeed

  78. Matt January 23, 2007 4:34 pm

    We have to continue to get Ron Paul’s name out on the internet and let people know who he is and what he stands for.

    I think Ron Paul has a great chance, and he certainly has my vote.

    He has been consistently against the war, less federal government, a protector of individual rights, a supporter of the Constitution when others would not, and a good, honest, moral candidate.

    E-mail everyone you know with the link to some of the positive things you have posted on this site.

  79. kia January 23, 2007 4:38 pm

    bp,

    Thanks for the film. It always amazes me that Moyers can do all this with a straight face after all the lies regarding Vietnam that he pushed on behalf of LBJ and McNamara.

    The Americans will eventually do the right thing, after they have exhausted every other path.

    The question remains is will the last possible moment be just in time?

    With respect to Climate Change the answer is a definitive no.

    Peace

  80. Administrator January 23, 2007 8:37 pm

    Friends,

    Check out the new site, devoted completely to Ron Paul. Please sign up, and please, spread the word!!!

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/7

    Michael

  81. Administrator January 24, 2007 7:40 am

    BP - Thank you for the Secret Government video. I had never seen it before. Great.

    Here is a clip of Ron Paul, giving his ‘Gulf of Tonkin’ speech the other day on the floor of the House.

    http://bullnotbull.blogspot.com/2007/01/ron-paul-gulf-of-tonkin-redux.html

  82. Charles K. Ponzi January 24, 2007 9:41 am

    Michael,

    Thanks for the mention. I grew up in a family as a Boston JFK democrat, but as the saying goes, “If you are 20 and not a democrat, you are a fool. If you are 40 and still a democrat, you are a bigger fool.”

    Right now I am part of neither party. I am registered as unenrolled. (A few years back they called it “Independent” but some shrewd guy ran for President as the “Independent Party” candidate and wanted a free pass since he already had so many registered supporters.)

    I guess you could call my status now, like many here, as part of the “Freedom Party”.
    Ron Paul is the perfect candidate for all us disenchanted voters. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel and start a new 3rd party to let our candidate run under, we might as well hijack one of the two who seem to win every 4 years.

    My dream match-up: Ron Paul against John Edwards.

    Or better yet, Ron Paul with John Edwards.

  83. aroha January 24, 2007 11:12 am

    Hello Charles, Couldn’t agree more about Ron Paul for President but I think you may want to review your endorsement for Edwards. Check this out. http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=5400

  84. skeptical January 24, 2007 12:01 pm

    Kia “The only way forward that I see is to prune the Federal gov’t back to the rights granted it under the Constitution: print money”

    Kia could you please recite the language in the constitution that allows the feds the “right” to “print money”

  85. kia January 24, 2007 1:45 pm

    skep,

    I misspoke and should have typed “coin money”

    see clauses 5&6

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/art1frag69_user.html

  86. godraz January 24, 2007 2:42 pm

    Compared to the usual bushel full of bozo bureaucrats who are running and getting all the MSM hype, I’m all for Ron Paul too.

    My in-laws live in NH and given their proclivity to vote Republican I’ll be sure to present his candidacy to them. I think they’d like him.

    Seeing as he would be willing to try and undo the Fed, I’d also be curious as to whether or not he’d be willing to seek to undo the misbegotten legal privelege that corporations attained as “persons”. Revoking this monstrous distinction would also go a long way to helping return law and the Constitution for our We The People benefit.

    As it stands, with the way this election and political process is rigged, us individuals with rights hardly stand a chance against the trans-national corporations with the same rights and all the money power and 24/7 lobbyists at their behest.

    There used to be laws against any and all corporate financial involvement in our elections. I’d love to see that day again.

  87. bp January 24, 2007 4:54 pm

    #86, godraz - I couldn’t agree more - coming to terms with the person hood of corporations will be very difficult, but it has to be done - I have to wonder how Ron Paul will approach that - that’s almost an indication of a death wish to address that issue.

  88. kia January 25, 2007 5:50 pm

    Here’s some positive news

    http://impeachpac.org/node/2686

    justice for the deceivers? I can hope.

  89. larry January 25, 2007 9:53 pm

    so there it is, DR. RON PAUL…a better ross perot….an already mainstreamed credible elected/electable free thinking anti-total government,government elected official….already off to a good start here….the baby boomers and all older generations actually do know how messed up our policies in general have become…clearity of the message will distinguish dr.ron…he has a gift of explaining things that motivates but does not alienate..he is not to be underestimated…i likes it…hope against hope…het dr. jane was up….you can’t quit now….i am ready to say that grains are a good healthy foodstuff but only in predominanlty agrarian cultures where the cumulative deleterious effects of modern lifestyles have not already set up the cascade of events that promote premature degenerations…

  90. kia January 26, 2007 12:52 am

    Larry,

    Are you a poet?

    I thought so.

    Yeow

  91. larry January 26, 2007 10:44 am

    a poet a fool a dreamer…annnnd an excellent yper

  92. Kia January 26, 2007 12:29 pm

    Lrary,

    Dn’ot wrroy aobut yuor tpinyg slikls

  93. Administrator January 31, 2007 11:52 am

    Friends,

    I’m closing down this thread. Have to keep the spammers at bay!

    For more on Ron Paul, please see the new site I set up for him: Daily Paul

    Best regards to all, and good luck to Dr. Paul!
    Michael

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