Housing 2007 = Stocks 1929
By Dan Jones
August 10, 2007
I was having a regular lunch with Michael Nystrom the other day and started mouthing off on my favorite economic analysis du jour. To wit: the collapse of the housing bubble in 2007 will be seen by history as the equivalent of the collapse of the stock bubble in 1929. He liked the analysis and asked me if he could write it up for BNB. I said, wait, this is my schtick – let me write it up. So here it is:
It all started, once upon a time, in the mid 1980’s, when a bunch of warning blips started popping up on my analytic radar screen. They were all about housing. These blips countered everything I thought I had learned about financial responsibility. In those days, I was still operating on those old stodgy assumptions that housing was part of one’s prudent economic planning – not where future income was to be made. During my early 70s passage into adulthood, the common wisdom was that housing paced normal inflation. No more, no less. Mortgage debt was a curse to be warded off. I remember when my parents went to mortgage burning parties. The banks did due diligence to make sure that your house mortgage was not more than two and a half times your income. But that was then. Anyone who took a second mortgage was probably in trouble. Quaint, wasn't it?
Suddenly, in the mid 80's that prudent financial wisdom no longer held. Housing prices were going up faster than the rate of inflation. In those days, everybody was hyper aware of inflation, after its ravages outstripped rational expectation after the mid 70's oil shock. But I gotta tell you, those 18% mortgage rates of the early 80s seemed to take the wind out of its sails for a while. Only for a while though. As those rates started coming down below 10%, housing prices started growing like they were on steroids. For a few years there were returns of more than 10% a year on housing investments.
Suddenly, everybody was talking about the price of his house. Competitive condo valuation was the cocktail party sport of choice. For a lot of my peers, their housing investment provided competitive returns to traditional investments like savings and securities. By the late 1980s, I was watching housing prices skyrocket while people on average weren’t actually earning any more than a decade earlier. My candy store mentality could no longer make sense of the market.
It was wacky. But hey, those were heady times. It was morning in America, the beloved Gipper was claiming that deficits (i.e. debt) don’t matter and back then, we were only a few trillion dollars in debt. Little did I know that one of history’s great speculative bubbles was just starting.
Soon, most of my generation saw that meteoric appreciation, and collectively decided that putting their money into real estate was smarter and more secure than stocks and bonds. This was especially true after the ‘87 Crash. Underlying values no longer seemed to matter in our economic lives. Real Estate was safe because “they weren’t making any more, and nobody ever looses money in real estate.” The sky was the limit. And for the past 20 years, except for an occasional blip, the common wisdom was right. Real estate has been a phenomenal investment in terms of its returns. The problem was that most people seemed to forget a few, basic truths about that market.
Residential real estate can't be a productive investment like commercial or industrial real estate. Except for market appreciation, it doesn’t earn income for the investor unless cash can be removed due to constant inflation in value. Your house only provides three tangible benefits: shelter, status and a tax dodge. And if you think about it, the last two of those are not always a sure thing. The status value might disappear if you are paying more than your can afford for it, and that tax deduction could be taken away if the rest of the world suddenly wants to collect on the US debt obligation. (But that is another tale altogether)
At various times during the 90s and especially after the Dot Bomb, it seemed like there had to be a moment when rationality would intrude on this manic market. But it didn’t happen. I had to admit that the financial system knew how to put band aids on cancer. Greenspan flooded the system with cash (we all learned the word liquidity), markets recovered and asset prices were off on their wonderful trajectory. The sky was literally the limit.
For the past 25 years, we just haven’t had the major correction in real estate prices. Instead we got flippers, and ATMs on the side of the house and hedge funds dividing up CDO tranches. Today, people assume that debt is merely another condition of modern life like traffic jams and global warming. It is definitely not seen as a bond of subservience to the lender which could limit total life options if not paid off. You just flip the property to the next fool and cash out.
So we drank our own Kool Aid, believed that everything was possible, and ignored all of the grey beards who said we might have to make changes. Greenspan and Bernanke could print all the money we needed. The Dollar was king, everybody was buying our debt because we were the last remaining superpower. The sky was the limit. We Baby Boomers didn’t worry that we had the lowest savings rate in history. We were going to cash out of our houses, and use the proceeds to fund our retirement. Or so we thought.
1929 Revisited
Which brings me back to the Market Crash of ‘29. If you read Studs Terkel’s book, Hard Times you can see the stories of the folks who were so convinced that their stocks were going to rise that they put all their savings into the market. Mailmen remembered the volume of brokerage statements that they delivered in ‘28 and ‘29 to all sorts of ordinary folk. Everybody was going to get rich on the market. Until they didn’t.
Today, the stock market is a sucker’s game. The mathematicians, and hedge funds have played the market to their benefit, not to ours. Housing seemed to be the perfect democratic investment where everyone in the “ownership society” could find security. But it seems now that it was all an illusion. It was the crack in last year's illusion of the infinitely expanding housing market which started the inevitable road to the current crisis with the hedge funds and the sub prime mortgages. Even the greater fools and the flippers couldn’t unload their property because finally, even the fools could no longer believe that a family making 65 thousand a year could afford a half a million dollar house. It became too silly. Just like the asset valuations in 29', the whole scheme no longer made sense. And so it started to crumble.
Now we are facing the downside of this debacle. My guess is that we will see all the asset market crumble on the back of this house bubble collapse. And future economists will use the great Housing Crash of 07 as the moral lesson for future speculators.
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Well, not so sure
Yes, when everybody is speaking of "making money" owning houses, that just might not be the best time to enter the market. Nor will it be true in the long run.
Yet to the housing bears, seeing markets reverse is probably also not a good thing... when will you get in? If you were too bearish or not creditworthy enough not to own a home in the first instance, will you be at the go-around? I doubt it. If markets go up, you will aways be too skittish to get in, if they go down you will be that too, since "it could still become cheaper"...
If this turns into a global bust, which I doubt, it would not be a good thing. For anybody. Well, except maybe the earth itself and the greenhouse effect since nobody will have money to buy oil anymore.
The Real Estate Correction and the Money Supply Connection
An interesting fact: before the stock market crash of 1929, more banks failed than after the crash. I suspect what we are seeing is the beginning of a serious correction.
An observation: While there have been many comments regarding "easy money" that caused the various recent bubles that, for example, led to the Dot Com crash, very, very few have made any direct connection of the expansion of the money supply to the watering down of the purchasing power of the dollar, with the resulting unsupportable increase in housing prices - - you know, the inflation that does not exist - - and the unrecognized threat to the economy that dwarfs the Real Estate correction that we are seeing.
JJM
WTO is right
WTO is exactly right if there is no "crash" there is no justice for people who
have lived responsibility. For instance if you have smart hard working couple who
have saved and lived a thrifty life,paid off their home are debt free etc., and you have say, a crack head and who lived the life of a crack head, and when they both reach retirement age the Government gives the crack head an amount of money and a paid off home,etc. equal to that of the thrifty couple. What a load of crap that would be.
Well that is exactly what is happening every time the Government or the Fed
steps in to protect losses for the criminals on Wall Street, Honest people pay for the crack heads stupidity. Also the pain will not be felt by everyone, just those
who truly deserve it. Oh by the way theres not much to this American dream of owning a home stuff, unless you just love working all the time.
evergreen
federal/state bailout, will it work?
ive seen a few articels about federal and state bailouts, anyone think this might help at all???
i know most of these bailout packages will mostly go to the richer folks rather than the the average homeowner (homeless to be)...
Housing 2007 = 1929
I can only hope with all my might that you are right. But I'll believe it when I see
it. I have been awaiting "The Crash" since the mid 90's. We deserve a Crash to be sure but the Government/Fed has always prevailed.
It surely would do a body good to see the bad guys and the foolish along with the greedy and criminals get their due, and the honest and responsible people be rewarded for a change.
Oh give me some of that old time deflation, and let their finally be consequences for the BAD and EVIL behavior of all the wrong doers that crush the citizens with their illegal monetary policy and unconstitutional subversion. Bla Bla Bla.
wto
Why do you hope he is right!?
Although I believe that the housing market is over priced and needs to go down, the last thing people need is a crash like the one in 1929. The only good thing that would come from a major market crash is that it may help fix peoples obesity problems. People seem to forget history; Crashes devistate the contry and impact everyone, even the people who did not contribute to the crash. I do not own a home, but I also do not want to see people suffer because of the poor monitary policies over the last few years. The market needs to correct itself but we should not be praying for the economy to crash or for people to suffer because of poor choices they made.
My 2 cents
I couldn't agree more with
I couldn't agree more with you! I am also not a homeowner, but they way other people are hoping for a crash makes me wonder if they think they'll be immune to the effects of an economic depression. Others may lose their house, but we may well be unemployed, so how would it help our situation?
Inflation spiral
What's not mentioned here is the idea of inflation and each of many sectors taking it's turn ratcheting up in price. Food has increased in price as has insurance, oil and even wages to a lesser degree. Real estate prices may suffer a drop proportionate to the amount of speculation but supply and demand will come back into balance and you will be glad you have a roof over your head when you go to sleep tonight. You won't be using stock certificates to keep warm and dry. The other area where supply demand will skew is the rental market. Opportunity knocking?
It's true that consumers are carrying more debt than ever which will eclipse discretionary spending in troubled times but when the corporate sector cries loud enough the Fed will respond. The needle is in the yellow.
The widening gyre
Sure inflation is part of this. But please go check the real stats.
For instance, the media income here in Mass is $65,000 for a family. The median house price is $380,000. Now in the old days you needed an income of $150,000 to afford that "median" house. So something doesn't compute here. Hasn't for years.
It's not like supply and demand have any semblance of balance. The whole game has been driven by speculative greed and fueld by an easy money regime that thought that there was always going to be a greater fool. There are plenty of roofs to cover the heads of reasonable people, assuming they are willing to forego status for shelter. But there are way too many million dollar McMansions looking for deluded buyers who will never be able to get a morrtgage. For the next few months watch how many of those "Under Agreement" signs never convert to Sold.
My guess is that when the median house price gets back down to two and a half times the median income we will see balance return. But there are gonna be a whole lot of people under water when that happens. A whole lot!
Let's buy a house
We can own a home... with covenants that prohibit you from living a real home life. No clotheslines, no gardens, no parking for visitors.
Plus, you must pay for it. You bought your own slavery. Shake those chains.
When you hand out mortgages like McDonald's fries at lunch time, you might get a few bad loans to handle. 'Burned' is the word that might apply.
When you feel trapped like a rat on a sinking ship, it's hard to find a way to jump ship.
The market is jittery. Best to get out if you don't want to get burned.
Sun, surf, and sand are a thousand miles away.
Cramer "There all going out of business!"
Since Cramer can speak and the world will listen and release billions of dollars, why not get him to speak next time before it's to late.
Housing 2007 = Stocks 1929
Never a truer word spoken, I'm in complete agreement.
I've being saying the same thing for over 5 years, and even I never dreamed that things would get to the stage they're now.
Thing is, this has now gotten to be a worldwide phenomenon and places like Spain are now in a situation where a median mortgage payment is 120% median wages, WTF??
However this all pans out, it wont be pretty.
I'm extremely happy to see people lose their house
Is it because I'm evil? No. I am tired of paying for everyone elses buffet. Wild boars frothing at the mouth and filling their plates without regard to consequence - this is what people have been doing. Its disgusting and anyone who acts like such a pig need to be slaughtered. Free will. Each person acted of their own and now the music has stopped and its time to pay the band.
People nevr learn. The general public does nothing more then cossume and abuse and the housing bubble lasted far nger then it should have. The pian I think will OUTPACE anything previous. I beleive this will be worse than the great depression. All my neighbours are immigrants who live off the system and have huge mortgages. Its been obvious to me that when the crash comes its going to be a bloody mess outside.
Todays recent news is just the tip of the iceberg, We are yet to see anything you could call impact.
If only people could act responsible and realize they are not important. This is the problem. Everyone feels they are a god and that they can somehow beat the odds. There is no regard for the common good. And so, everything will collapse for a decade and everyone will suffer. Of course I get paid nothing for my responsibilty. I am mocked today for not jumping on the bandwagon and all my paid for stuff will be stolen by my desperate neighbours in the days coming. Greedy pigs, you did it to yourselves. You are not smarter, not better, not a god. You are but one pig ina barn full of piggies, waiting for a handout. Try feeding yourselves for a change. For once stop and think "how can everyone get rich doing the exact same thing"
In order for one man to gain on speculation another has to lose. Thats the part pigs just do not understand. No matter what - its a destructive non productive way to live that harms everyone.